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Streacom DB4 Water Build (now flat heatpipe)

TinyAudio

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Wowsers! Do you not have a makespace or something similar near you? Where you sign up for a monthly fee and have access to all their equipment?
 

iFreilicht

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in my eyes the passive cooling is inadequate, im aiming for a passive water cooled system instead.

I think there are better ways to fix that, though. One is using flat coolpipes as @aquelito has shown, but you could also get regular heatpipes bent to spread over a wider area of the case, and even have them transfer heat to multiple panels to better use the energy budget of the heatsinks.

Small update, first quote in, coming back at around $400 what do we think?

Especially considering this price, heatpipes might be a better option.

What exactly is included in this quote? Are they going to mill the case panels directly? Or will they mill blocks that you can then screw to the cooling panels of the case? What about the acrylic tops of the blocks?
 

StevenG

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I think there are better ways to fix that, though. One is using flat coolpipes as @aquelito has shown, but you could also get regular heatpipes bent to spread over a wider area of the case, and even have them transfer heat to multiple panels to better use the energy budget of the heatsinks.


Especially considering this price, heatpipes might be a better option.

What exactly is included in this quote? Are they going to mill the case panels directly? Or will they mill blocks that you can then screw to the cooling panels of the case? What about the acrylic tops of the blocks?

This is true, i had thought of using flat heatpipes as thats all it needs an increase in contact area as apposed to instating something round to a flat surface, they are far from easy to find, effectively what you want is a half flat half round pipe to utilise the stock CPU cooler.

For the £300 ($410) they are going to mill my existing side panels and drill / tap them for about 30 M4 thread screw per side to enable the acrylic to go ontop which they are also supplying / cutting. Effectively all i will have to do is find the correct length screws, water seal and barbs and i will be away.

Wowsers! Do you not have a makespace or something similar near you? Where you sign up for a monthly fee and have access to all their equipment?
Sadly not im in the UK we have nothing like this :(
 
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For the £300 ($410) they are going to mill my existing side panels and drill / tap them for about 30 M4 thread screw per side to enable the acrylic to go ontop which they are also supplying / cutting. Effectively all i will have to do is find the correct length screws, water seal and barbs and i will be away.

In that case, that's actually a pretty good price. I'd say if you are in it for the challenge and bragging rights, go for it!
 
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StevenG

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In that case, that's actually a pretty good price. I'd say if you are in it for the challenge and bragging rights, go for it!

Well more so to see if it actually works, in theory it should make the most of the heatsinks 65W capability for sure. Its about overcoming the problems for me, ive located everything i need really its just the cost involved, the CNC work is £300 with the water cooling components probably £200 so an expensive experiment but if it works it will be nice to have a one of a kind passively water cooled system. The guy said he could have it done by the end of next week so if i can get the funds together we may have some updates quite soon.


Where are you in the UK? I have my induction in a couple of weeks for one in Cambridge.

https://www.hackspace.org.uk/
There is one local to me but they dont have CNC facilities :( i love the concept though!
 

Lee.III.Will

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effectively what you want is a half flat half round pipe to utilise the stock CPU cooler
You wouldn't really need to use the existing cpu heatsink, you'd just need a flat cpu plate to apply an even pressure to the coolpipe onto the CPU directly and some thermal compound in there.

Effectively all i will have to do is find the correct length screws, water seal and barbs
For $410 that's not a bad deal as long as they produce quality work(Keep in mind that they've only got one shot since Streacom doesn't sell individual side panels)! If you take into account that EK Blocks are about $125 each(on the low end) and that you're getting four custom blocks.
If the cooling result and the workmanship from them is good I'd almost be tempted to pay shipping both ways and have them do mine as well!
 
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StevenG

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You wouldn't really need to use the existing cpu heatsink, you'd just need a flat cpu plate to apply an even pressure to the coolpipe onto the CPU directly and some thermal compound in there.


For $410 that's not a bad deal as long as they produce quality work(Keep in mind that they've only got one shot since Streacom doesn't sell individual side panels)! If you take into account that EK Blocks are about $125 each(on the low end) and that you're getting four custom blocks.
If the cooling result and the workmanship from them is good I'd almost be tempted to pay shipping both ways and have them do mine as well!
I like the idea of the flat heatpipe cpu cooler i hadnt thought of that! its finding one capable of taking 91W i guess you would need two to even the heat over the two sides. !

Yea its not too bad im gonna go for it i just need to save up, may be a week or two before i have updates on the panels. On a serious note if you wanted some done after you see the result it will be cheaper as they will already have the CNC program / deign so its effectively just hitting print!
 

Lee.III.Will

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its finding one capable of taking 91W i guess you would need two to even the heat over the two sides. !
I think you could get away with a single coolpipe. On their website they list that they have a 40mm X 500mm model that is capable of moving 40-170Watts. The length would allow you to place the center of the coolpipe directly on the CPU and run the ends over the whole length of the panel. You'd just need a brace that had about a 40x2mm groove cut for the coolpipe that you could use as a wedge to keep it in contact with the case(much like the current heatpipe plates).

it will be cheaper as they will already have the CNC program / deign
Yeah, If you want to ask them how much it'd cost for a second run, I'd be interested in knowing the cost!
 
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StevenG

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Nothing yet guys I hate to say it! Struggling to get the sides CNCed nobody wants to to small jobs it would seem. The place I had lined up pulled out because they were too busy! Contemplating just doing the heatpipes although it's gonna need some severe engineering due to the components I've picked!
 

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Change of plans due to the problems im having with CNC ive done a fair amount of research into flat heatpipes as this goes back to the contact area i was talking about earlier. ive got some on order the mounting will be the only issue :




The pipes i have specced can carry 70w of heat in horizontal orientation the contact area will be 50mm wide across the full side panel, i hope this will allow me to utilise the the 65w heat dispation of each side. my problem lies with the gtx 1060 being 120w TDP its going to b very close to the limit if not right on th limit even if i can get all the heat away from the card, my original hybrid solution my have to come into play here with the fan ontop for extreme loads or i go down the underclocking route which im not really wanting to do. The heatpipes are on order so should be some progress over the weekend.



With the universal bracket rotated to be installed on the outside this leaves a 4mm gap between the heatsink, (glass is 4mm for size) the heatipes are 2.5mm so I'm after an insulating material that is 1.5mm thick any ideas?

 
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aquelito

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With the universal bracket rotated to be installed on the outside this leaves a 4mm gap between the heatsink, (glass is 4mm for size) the heatipes are 2.5mm so I'm after an insulating material that is 1.5mm thick any ideas?

Amec recommands thin thermal pad <0.5mm with a thermal conductivity of 4W/mk or higher.
You could use 1mm plexi, or aluminium wrapped in insulation tape ?
 

StevenG

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Amec recommands thin thermal pad <0.5mm with a thermal conductivity of 4W/mk or higher.
You could use 1mm plexi, or aluminium wrapped in insulation tape ?
Gonna be using thermal paste got 36g of AS5 coming , I was just working on the principle of using a heat insulating spacer between the bracket and heatpipe to ensure the heat goes into the heat sink rather than spacer and stay in the case if you see what I mean ? Plexinseems like the way to go, if I keep the bracket the right way I can use 6.5mm to keep it the same overall thickness as the stock setup.


I've had dispatch emails on the first lot of bits but might not be here until Monday
 

aquelito

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Gonna be using thermal paste got 36g of AS5 coming , I was just working on the principle of using a heat insulating spacer between the bracket and heatpipe to ensure the heat goes into the heat sink rather than spacer and stay in the case if you see what I mean ?

Yes sur that's what I also understood ;)
Just to say that thick thermal pads are a no go with coolpipes.

The pipes i have specced can carry 70w of heat in horizontal orientation the contact area will be 50mm wide across the full side panel, i hope this will allow me to utilise the the 65w heat dispation of each side.

According to Amec, a good rule of thumb is to have 1/3 of the total length of the coolpipe in contact with the radiator.