SFF.Network Simply NUC Launches their P360 Ultra, “The Ultimate Workstation for Professionals”

Simply NUC, a vendor leaning heavily on the Intel NUC form factor, has unveiled their P360 Ultra, a massively upgradeable SFF system, with support for discrete graphics cards. These systems, starting at US$1699 are now available for preorder.
These systems support up to 128GB of DDR5 ECC memory across 4 DIMM slots, a Gen 4 PCIex16 slot, a Gen 3 PCIex4 slot, dual M.2 Gen 4 slots, as well as a pair of ethernet ports – 1 each 2.5Gb and 1.0Gb.
CPU options are the Intel Core i9 16C (8P+8E)/24T processor in the NUC12UTv9, or a Intel Core i7 12C (8P+4E)/20T, in their NUC12UTv7. Standard, both are spec’d with a 512GB PCIe SSD and 16GB DDR5 memory.
GPU Options include the NVIDIA T400 4GB, NVIDIA T1000 8GB or the NVIDIA RTX A2000 12GB.
Measuring in at 87 x 223 x 202 mm, or 3.9L, this offers the ability to be built into a dense little powerhouse.

 
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[REVOCCASES]

Here's a good review about the Thinkstation P360 Ultra:

Lenovo ThinkStation P360 Ultra Review the Ultra Small Workstation

In our Lenovo ThinkStation P360 Ultra review, we see how Lenovo built a wildly expandable small box with high-end Intel and NVIDIA processors

www.servethehome.com

PS: Lenovo now even offers an RTX A5000 (mobile) GPU upgrade via their own shop (for +EUR 3070,-)

ThinkStation P360 Ultra (Intel) | Branchenweit erste Workstation mit Ultrasmall Form Factor

Lenovo ThinkStation P360 Ultra, die branchenweit erste 4-Liter-Workstation mit superschnellem Arbeitsspeicher, modernstem Massenspeicher und leistungsstarken Intel CPUs.

www.lenovo.com

 

[jughead0]

No A4000 SFF option? Lame.

 

[scatterforce]

No A4000 SFF option? Lame.

The RTX A5000 mobile that Lenovo is selling has the same cuda core count (6144) as the newer A4000 SFF. They are both based on the 104 die, just different generations and ram configurations. The A4000 SFF has a 160bit bus and a total of ten 2 GB chips for 20 GB of VRAM. The A5000 laptop part has a 256bit bus with eight 2 GB chips for 16 GB of VRAM.

The newer part should be more power efficient, but the A5000 might be more performant if it is allowed it's maximum 165 watt TDP. I can't tell if there is an external power source or not, and pictures are lacking.

 

[REVOCCASES]

Just found another review including Timespy scores for the Mobile A5000 Lenovo is offering with the P360... seems performance is very similar to the RTX 4000 ADA with about 10300 GPU points...

Lenovo ThinkStation P360 Ultra SFF PC Review

Lenovo's ThinkStation P360 Ultra small form factor PC blends desktop-class CPU performance with mobile workstation RTX graphics, but will cost you stacks.

www.tweaktown.com

but anyway, I wouldn't spend EUR 3000+ for that upgrade

 

[bingsoo]

It seems like it's possible to get a second-hand RTX A5000 laptop card at ~$600 on eBay (look up NJ5ND). Does that change your mind about upgrades @REVOCCASES ?

In any case, I initially wasn't able to figure out what the interface is to the motherboard for that card. I don't see either the MXM interface or a PCIe x16 bus. Later, I found in some photos a connector labelled DGFF (Dell Graphics Form Factor). Proprietary always sucks, but any way to mod these Dell RTX A5000 cards into standard interfaces or make use of DGFF?

Separately, this raises the question of what interface is in use in the P360 Ultra and if the RTX A5000 mobile card with standard interfaces (e.g. MXM/PCIe) exists.

 

[REVOCCASES]

It seems like it's possible to get a second-hand RTX A5000 laptop card at ~$600 on eBay (look up NJ5ND). Does that change your mind about upgrades @REVOCCASES ?

In any case, I initially wasn't able to figure out what the interface is to the motherboard for that card. I don't see either the MXM interface or a PCIe x16 bus. Later, I found in some photos a connector labelled DGFF (Dell Graphics Form Factor). Proprietary always sucks, but any way to mod these Dell RTX A5000 cards into standard interfaces or make use of DGFF?

Separately, this raises the question of what interface is in use in the P360 Ultra and if the RTX A5000 mobile card with standard interfaces (e.g. MXM/PCIe) exists.

I don't think LENOVO would use a DELL specific interface / form format for their system...

here is a picture of the custom A5000 they are using:



if you order the P360 with a "normal" graphics card, like the A2000, it will come with a small riser card and provides a usual PCIe 16x slot... so you could still upgrade to an RTX 4000 SFF ADA later down the road

PS: I remember @gurywah tried something with the DGFF GPUs but since he's MIA since ~2 years, I don't know if he actually succeeded

 

[Gehringerj]

whats about the support for intel s 13th gen cpus? Who would buy a last gen Workstation for that kind of money...? 13th gen makes more sense for power efficient workstations (i9 with 16 low power cores)

 

[REVOCCASES]

whats about the support for intel s 13th gen cpus? Who would buy a last gen Workstation for that kind of money...? 13th gen makes more sense for power efficient workstations (i9 with 16 low power cores)

Unless Lenovo would release an BIOS update for the P360, it seems you'll have to get the new P3 Ultra for 13th Gen support...

https://psref.lenovo.com/Product/ThinkStation/ThinkStation_P3_Ultra