A bit off topic, but I thought I would mention it. The Ryzen chips designed for laptop (i.e. 3500U) are still being manufactured on 12nm according to AMD. This is a real bummer because it means that they had to severely limit the the L3 cache (only 4MB) in order to fit the Vega 8 GPU on board. Also the memory speed is only 2400 MHz. Poor chip is fighting with one hand behind its back !