Discussion Inconsistent Consistent Idle Temps?

Jp42nca

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I completed a small itx build 2 months ago with components from a past ATX case build, all components worked well & no issues, I just had to purchased an itx MB & cpu cooler. I did not game with the previous build, used for content creating & photo editing (Lr & Ps). I just wanted to build a sff for light office work & surfing the web, built another pc for my work stuff. Downsized from a huge tower on my desk, it was time for a smaller footprint.

New ITX Build:
ASUS z390i, i9-9900k, Samsung 950PRO M.2 512GB, Windows 10, Corsair Vengeance Pro 64GB, Corsair SF 600 PSU, CPU Cooler bequiet Pure Rock LP 100W TDP

The build went well, was concerned using the i9-9900k due to be a hot cpu but in the original build (MB was ASUS Z390) I cooled it with a Corsair AIO & temps at idle were always 29C-32C, when loaded with images and doing photo editing it didn't go much higher, 32C - 38C., then immediately after completing editing in Ps & re-imported back to Lr temps would go back to pretty much like they were at idle. So this told me the AIO did a great job cooling the cpu.

With that said, I figured if I use a low profile air cooler it would keep the i9 cpu at reasonable temps even under the lightest of loads, web surfing & light office work. I was correct, temps at idle were 33C - 35C due to case restrictions (OSMI 3.1, love this case & wanted to do a build in it) and basically stayed there, under light load it would just to 38C - 42C, once in awhile it would hit 50C then back down to 38C. Once at idle it would drop to 33C - 35C & stay there while not in use. At this time I was using the pc & it was operating just fine. Also at idle for 2 hrs & no change in temps. All good & happy it worked as I had hoped. I shelfed it for 2 months while working on another build.

Fast Forward....Day before yesterday I fired it up & right as the desktop appeared the temps were at 33C - 35C as before. I was working at my desk & started hearing the fans spinning louder & louder, at times varying in speed, have custom fan curves in bios. Temps were increasing slowly then jumped to 80C. Here are the temps after about 1 to 1.5 mins of being on at idle: Started at 33 - 35C then hit 40C, 48C, 50C, 45C, 38C, 49C, 55C, 60C, 55C, 65C, 72C, 80C. Here's where I shut it down. The fans were going crazy trying to keep up with the changing temps. I was seeing the increases then it would drop down all the time thinking ok its going to settle down here then watch it spike again, did this a few time then once it got to high 50's & above it never went back down. Yesterday I fired it up again & the same thing happened.

The onIy thing I can think of which would make sense is since it's a LP cooler it sits right on top of the cpu blowing hot air onto the mb creating heat in an area that is not easily/well ventilated, pretty tight fit between the ram & vrm cover. I tried to find a air cooler where the radiator is positioned above the cpu a bit so air can pass under it and thus creating a better airflow, however the space I have to work in is only 70MM due to PSU location in the case. I did find one that is 67MM in height but that only allows me 3mm spacing between radiator & PSU which would be to restrictive. Its either to low (right over cpu) or to tall. But what doesn't make sense is why now? Why didn't it happen 2 months ago when I built it & used it for a week?

Does anyone have a thought as to what is causing this? It's a complete mystery to me. My other thought was to purchase another cpu & see if that works. If I do go this route I was thinking about one that doesn't run as hot, the i9 is a hot cpu & TDP is 95W, thinking of purchasing the i5-8500, TDP65W. Thanks for reading my post, hope to get some feedback...jp
 

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Did you check CPU load while these temps were rising? If there is something else causing your CPU to increase load then your cooler is doing what it is supposed to and you have another problem.
 
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Jp42nca

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Did you check CPU load while these temps were rising? If there is something else causing your CPU to increase load then your cooler is doing what it is supposed to and you have another problem.
I did not check cpu load, but I did notice that there was an update for Windows 10 pending. Once temps started rising it took all my attention, it hit 80C relatively quickly & I panicked. I have HWiNFO64 & in my tray can see temps & CPU usage, but I didn't focus on cpu usage. I'll have to fire it back up & see what it says. Thanks for your response. I usually have a flair for the obvious, but not this time, brain fart!
 
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I did not check cpu load, but I did notice that there was an update for Windows 10 pending. Once temps started rising it took all my attention, it hit 80C relatively quickly & I panicked. I have HWiNFO64 & in my tray can see temps & CPU usage, but I didn't focus on cpu usage. I'll have to fire it back up & see what it says. Thanks for your response. I usually have a flair for the obvious, but not this time, brain fart!
Here's an update: Sorry for not getting back sooner, family emergency. This morning I fired the pc up & the first thing I did was go into Task Manager, cpu usage was at 1% to 3%, then it jumped to 85% then 100% then back to 3-4%. temps are holding at 31C to 33C after being on for 20 mins.

The one thing I do notice is that every now & then at idle it spikes to 45C - 53C then back to 33C within a few seconds, not sure if this is normal behavior. My wife has a i5-8400 in her pc & runs steady at idle at 30C, no spikes. When she has multiple windows open & multitasking it goes to 42C and never really higher. Doing the same tasks will jump to 52C then back to 31C - 32C. I know this is safe operating temps but always questioning as to why? I'm a bit OCD when it comes to temps, I like to see them under 40C no matter what I'm doing. Even when using Lr & Ps they stay below 40C even when blending multiple image layers.

Originally I turned it on to check for Window 10 updates & there was an update, it might have been loading during this time causing the increase in cpu usage & temps. I haven't updated yet but its showing I have updates. Things seem to be back to normal, for now. Considering purchasing a less demanding cpu like the i5-8500 @ 65W TDP. A Low Profile air cooler isn't recommended for the i9-9900K, but the i5-8500 can run with a stock cooler it comes with so I'm sure it would work just fine with my bequiet Pure Rock LP 100W TDP.
 
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I hope you can figure it out but the answer could be in your idea of a less demanding CPU though I ran a ton of tests and other things with that LP cooler on an 1i5-13600k with Silverstone Slim fan just fine. I only switched to AIO just because I have not had one for many years and it did overheat quickly with Cinebench but no other tests I ran.
 
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I hope you can figure it out but the answer could be in your idea of a less demanding CPU though I ran a ton of tests and other things with that LP cooler on an 1i5-13600k with Silverstone Slim fan just fine. I only switched to AIO just because I have not had one for many years and it did overheat quickly with Cinebench but no other tests I ran.
I hope you can figure it out but the answer could be in your idea of a less demanding CPU though I ran a ton of tests and other things with that LP cooler on an 1i5-13600k with Silverstone Slim fan just fine. I only switched to AIO just because I have not had one for many years and it did overheat quickly with Cinebench but no other tests I ran.
Yeah I might try another cpu. The temps have leveled off to normal idle temps at 32C but do still spike from time to time. Kept it on all day yesterday while on my other pc. Fans were spinning low rpm's, temps were 32C then it would increase to 45-53C for a few moments then back down to 32C. Just random spikes, the cpu usage did increase from 1-2% to 21% at this time. Happened about 4x's over an 8 hr period. Fans did what they were suppose to but why a spike at idle perplexes me. My other pc ASUS z690i, i7-12700K, Corsair AIO, never does that.

I purchased the i9-9900K in 7/19 for a new build. Over the past 5 yrs I've used it everyday pretty much, do real estate photography & extensive Lr & Ps. I've never overclocked & not a gamer, even with heavy editing usage temps really never exceeded 40C except when I was converting large raw files to Jpeg to a folder.

My wife's pc ASUS B360i, i5-8400, Corsair 120 AIO, is always constant at idle 30C, it can be on all day as well and never spikes like the i9-9900K. Even during usage with multiple windows open, (most of her work is on line, she's a realtor & does her own website), it stays at 32C - 36C. The question is, it the normal for i9-9900K to spike randomly or is it starting to go?

I guess the only way to find out is to purchase another cpu & see what happens. Thanks for responding...jp
 

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Have you checked startup, scanned for everything, cleaned out the history and cookies lately? It seems there could be something running in the background causing this. just an idea of course but just does not seem the CPU should be the problem.

Then again, I have seen some pretty crazy things happen in electronics(some during 20 years as a high level military tech) that did not make a lot of sense.

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Have you checked startup, scanned for everything, cleaned out the history and cookies lately? It seems there could be something running in the background causing this. just an idea of course but just does not seem the CPU should be the problem.

Then again, I have seen some pretty crazy things happen in electronics that did not make a lot of sense.

Rick
Yeah I've done all that. Read some more articles this morning about cpu temps & as of now think the cpu is ok & and not an issue. The case isn't the greatest as far as airflow, knew that when I bought it, but liked the sff. What I don't like is the fan noise & neither does my wife, it ramps up pretty good for a bequiet, I guess that's why its not called a besilent! If I could fit a 120mm AIO in it would probably stay more regulated & quieter but not enough room.

It was to replace my wife's pc at her office since her old black tower takes up so much room on her desk, the OSMI 3.1 case (in white) is much smaller & match's the decor in her office. She doesn't like the noise, SOooooooo I might just purchase the other cpu & another fan that happens to be 53mm high that gives me more radiator to dissipate the heat then the bequiet low profile. I have 70mm height to play with & this ones 53mm, that leaves 17mm space between the psu & fan which should be ok, everything else I've found is taller, right at 68mm or 70mm which leaves no extra room for airflow. It's the Thermalright AXP90-X53 Full Copper Low Profile Cooler 53mm Height.

But yeah you're right, crazy things happen in electronics that do not make a lot of sense sometimes...jp

 

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I used the slim Silverstone Air Slimmer and it seemed quieter than the Be-Quite fan. Now with AIO I am using tw0 Arctic BioniX P140 fans on the radiator and two P120 fans on the GPU and I also have as a test and likely to use slim Arctic P14 PST over the motherboard/cooling block and it is not loud either. I only used the Be-Quiet fan for a bit when I first put the Fractal Ridge system together until the Silverstone Air Slimmer that fit inside the case arrived.

There just might be a fan solution that would work and be nicer for your wife to have to be near. Even if you ended up changing the CPU you could still use it the the LP cooler you have.

Just my experience and ideas, many on here have more than I do, might find better advice coming your way:)

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I used the slim Silverstone Air Slimmer and it seemed quieter than the Be-Quite fan. Now with AIO I am using tw0 Arctic BioniX P140 fans on the radiator and two P120 fans on the GPU and I also have as a test and likely to use slim Arctic P14 PST over the motherboard/cooling block and it is not loud either. I only used the Be-Quiet fan for a bit when I first put the Fractal Ridge system together until the Silverstone Air Slimmer that fit inside the case arrived.

There just might be a fan solution that would work and be nicer for your wife to have to be near. Even if you ended up changing the CPU you could still use it the the LP cooler you have.

Just my experience and ideas, many on here have more than I do, might find better advice coming your way:)

Rick

I just checked out those 2 fans on Amazon. They both received good reviews but the Arctic P14 PST seemed more quiet then the Silverstone Air Slimmer, those reviews were a mixed bag on the noise level over the Arctic. I might just try a new fan first & see how it goes, have a Noctua as well I might try. Now just need to find the time to tear it apart. Thanks for the tip...jp
 

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Glad I can at least try to help:)

If I recall correctly the Silverstone AS has higher static pressure than the Arctic.

Not sue you can fit a 140mm or even if you would want to go bigger than a 120mm due to higher pressure with the 120 fans than 140s. I am using a 140 over the MB because it is an easier fit as slides right over the I/O cover and just has a slight clearance issue with the AIO hoses which I can trim down if I do end up using it. For now I have a lot of blue tape all over to seal things up, hold some things together, etc, while testing.
 
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Glad I can at least try to help:)

If I recall correctly the Silverstone AS has higher static pressure than the Arctic.

Not sue you can fit a 140mm or even if you would want to go bigger than a 120mm due to higher pressure with the 120 fans than 140s. I am using a 140 over the MB because it is an easier fit as slides right over the I/O cover and just has a slight clearance issue with the AIO hoses which I can trim down if I do end up using it. For now I have a lot of blue tape all over to seal things up, hold some things together, etc, while testing.
The case diameter is completely square O.D. W7" x D7" x H10" the outside of the case slides over the base frame meaning the inside dia is a bit smaller, vents from the bottom towards the top. It will accommodate a 140 fan which is in there now (bequiet) but a 140 radiator goes outside of the dimensions (in/out ports), same goes for a 120. A 120 can't fit because the in/out ports are at one end of the rad making it longer on one end then the other. If they made a completely square rad it would work. That's why I thought about building a custom water loop with a 92mm radiator & fan. The only way to cool a i9-9900k properly is with a AIO, and not sure if a single 120 could do this. Trial & error.

Knowing that you cannot really properly cool a i9-9900k with a low profile cooler, best with a AIO. A i5-8500 or i5-8400 (8500 is same as 8400 with only 2% greater effective speed) both can be cooled with a stock intel cooler right out of the box makes me question do I really want to throw more money at this little project & get the same results?

My main objective was to utilize my i9-9900k in a sff for my wife with managed working temps for light web surfing & office work & I achieved that, however the increased fan noise is killing the deal here. If I buy the i5-8500 or i5-8400 I can achieve the quietness because its a cooler running cpu & the Pure Rock LP could handle it better without ramping up. Think I've come to a decision....jp
 


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