Rumor Unofficially Confirmed Ryzen 3000 series APUs?

Asrock recently released a new BIOS for its mSTX A300 motherboard, version 3.50 "1.Supports AMD next generation Ryzen™ processors". The board currently does not support any AM4 processor that doesn't have an iGPU and the new BIOS did not change that, tested personally with my R5 2600.

So, while there is no announcement, I'd take this as confirmation that there will be 3000 series APUs. Whether or not they'll be the mythical 8c/16t Zen2 + 20cu Navi (probably not) or the 4c/8t Zen+ + 11cu Vega (likely) is still unknown.

 

[Stevo_]

Agreed on 3400g v 2400g unless those alleged improvements are specifically important to you in streaming or gaming, although in the US the pricing from videocardz website $149 and $99 for 3400g, 3200g repsectively if that holds makes the 3400G look like a slam dunk as Newegg at $139 for 2400G right now.. I'm quite happy with my 2400g as my 3770K replacement and the 2400g/linux experience has been quite smooth, almost as smooth as Intel except for initial OS install which was more like Nvidia GPU pain but when you've gone thru that once before it's not really a big deal.

 

[Valantar]

Agreed on 3400g v 2400g unless those alleged improvements are specifically important to you in streaming or gaming, although in the US the pricing from videocardz website $149 and $99 for 3400g, 3200g repsectively if that holds makes the 3400G look like a slam dunk as Newegg at $139 for 2400G right now.. I'm quite happy with my 2400g as my 3770K replacement and the 2400g/linux experience has been quite smooth, almost as smooth as Intel except for initial OS install which was more like Nvidia GPU pain but when you've gone thru that once before it's not really a big deal.

IMO the 3400G makes perfect sense, particularly for SFF use cases. Soldered IHS means no need to consider delidding in thermally constrained situations. A free-ish CPU+GPU overclock at the same power also fits very well (with the potential for even more if desired). Support for protected 4k streaming is perfect for HTPC use. In short, this is the 2400G as it should have been. It's a bit of a letdown compared to Zen2 Ryzen 3000, but sadly AMD seems to have settled on keeping APUs a year behind. Here's hoping they spring a surprise CES 4000-series desktop APU launch on us, though sadly I doubt that given the relatively low volumes of desktop APUs compared to mobile.

 

[W4RR10R]

I’ll probably be proved massively wrong.

My 175/200 pricing is based on AMD's new attitude to cores/ threads. Customers have showed they like them and AMD is making cores cost more. The APU aspect of the 3400G has less value at the moment now dGPU aren't so stupidly priced, and it is only 4/4 cores.

Well AMD's pricing has stayed flat (or dropped) generation to generation for all of AM4, the 1800x 8c/16t had an MSRP of $499 USD and the new 3900x 12c/24t has an MSRP of $499 USD, the 2700x and 3700x 8c/16t both had/have an initial MSRP of $329 USD the 2200g/2400g and 3200g/3400g also have the same initial MSRP of $99 and $149 USD and the 2/3400g are 4c/8t parts not 4c/4t.

IIRC the new 3200g and 3400g both support DDR4 3200 out of the box and will likely be able to run much higher memory speed than their predecessors (4000+?) Which would make a significant performance improvement for the iGPU.

 

[Valantar]

Well AMD's pricing has stayed flat (or dropped) generation to generation for all of AM4, the 1800x 8c/16t had an MSRP of $499 USD and the new 3900x 12c/24t has an MSRP of $499 USD, the 2700x and 3700x 8c/16t both had/have an initial MSRP of $329 USD the 2200g/2400g and 3200g/3400g also have the same initial MSRP of $99 and $149 USD and the 2/3400g are 4c/8t parts not 4c/4t.

IIRC the new 3200g and 3400g both support DDR4 3200 out of the box and will likely be able to run much higher memory speed than their predecessors (4000+?) Which would make a significant performance improvement for the iGPU.

Do they share the memory controller of the new Zen2 chips? If not, 4000+ sounds optimistic given that Zen+ chips topped out somewhere above 3600. Still, that's not bad at all.

Also, IIRC the MSRP of the 2400G started out at $169, so the 3400G is actually $20 lower at launch.

 

[W4RR10R]

Do they share the memory controller of the new Zen2 chips? If not, 4000+ sounds optimistic given that Zen+ chips topped out somewhere above 3600. Still, that's not bad at all.

I would hope they would, I believe that they used the zen+ memory controller on the 2000 series APUs.

 

[Valantar]

I would hope they would, I believe that they used the zen+ memory controller on the 2000 series APUs.

I haven't seen that reported, but yes, I remember that the IMC was one of the "early inclusions" from Zen+ in RR. Fingers crossed, I suppose? That would be fantastic. Getting easy 3600+ DDR4 on these would be perfect. I'm still on the fence deciding if I should postpone my HTPC upgrade yet another time to wait for Zen2 APUs (I know I'd be mightily annoyed if a major performance uplift became available shortly after a 4-year upgrade), but the 3400G still looks a lot more tempting than the 2400G for my use case.

 

[Stevo_]

IMO the 3400G makes perfect sense, particularly for SFF use cases. Soldered IHS means no need to consider delidding in thermally constrained situations. A free-ish CPU+GPU overclock at the same power also fits very well (with the potential for even more if desired). Support for protected 4k streaming is perfect for HTPC use. In short, this is the 2400G as it should have been. It's a bit of a letdown compared to Zen2 Ryzen 3000, but sadly AMD seems to have settled on keeping APUs a year behind. Here's hoping they spring a surprise CES 4000-series desktop APU launch on us, though sadly I doubt that given the relatively low volumes of desktop APUs compared to mobile.

I haven't seen that reported, but yes, I remember that the IMC was one of the "early inclusions" from Zen+ in RR. Fingers crossed, I suppose? That would be fantastic. Getting easy 3600+ DDR4 on these would be perfect. I'm still on the fence deciding if I should postpone my HTPC upgrade yet another time to wait for Zen2 APUs (I know I'd be mightily annoyed if a major performance uplift became available shortly after a 4-year upgrade), but the 3400G still looks a lot more tempting than the 2400G for my use case.

This close in to release no question the 3400G for HTPC, as I said earlier a slam dunk for any reason if the annouced prices hold. I might get one just to check out the thermals, my 2400G Tdie spikes about 10C when the Vcore jumps from min to max although the Wraith stealth has no problems keeping it quietly cool in normal use just a big delay from TIM shittiness before things settle down.

 

[SFF EOL]

I will see what the UK price is because it was £175 with the 2400G at first, basically the same as the 1600 (at tyhe time I didn't know I couldn't fit a 1600 so I was pondering both for an STX build when/if the A300 arrived on our shores). And now it is £115 or sometimes a bit lower (as low as £108 once or twice, but then goes back up because new stock comes in). I get all the arguments for the 3400G, particularly with the STX A300 because you can't overclock- in a sense the 3400G gives you that overclock. When I overclocked the memory on the last one I got just shy of 3000 with 2400G. But I have better/faster memory this time (because I have only bought 8GB not 16) so I will spend more time and see how high I can go. I think some here have got 3200 on the 2400G?


Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me as regards the launch prices for the rest of the Ryzen range, certainly I didn't pay a lot of attention to the Ryzen 2 launch as I had R1. This time I will pay attention because I would like to upgrade my daily driver with a better ATX MB and a 8 core CPU. I still feel (I want to be) right, but let's see. Ultimately even if I am right and the 2400G goes to near £100 and the 3400G launches at 175 it doesn't mean anything as it is up to the individual to place a value on the frequency increases- which as I say are more important with the STX because it can't be overclocked. for me even if it was £150 I'd still be a bit unsure of the value, but I would probably bite.

 

[ASRock System]

Anandtech's topic in Computex

ASRock officially announced DeskMini A300 supports Ryzen 3000 APU ( 3400G & 3200G ) during Computex 2019 press conference.
We believed that new Ryzen 3000 APU features with higher clock to deliver better performance.
According to our internal test, 3D performance get around 6.5% boost.
About memory, we know AMD APU graphics performance related with memory speed and capacity.
(please refer to below table)

3DMark - Time Spy

	Ryzen 5 2400G	Ryzen 5 3400G
DDR4-2933MHz ( 8GB x 2 )	1187	1264 (+ 6.48%)
DDR4-3200MHz ( 8GB x 2)	1222	1305 (+ 6.79%)
DDR4-3200MHz (16GB x 2)	1288	1368

By the way, I so proud for DeskMini A300 is the best solution for AMD AM4 APU.
Considering C/P value, 2400G is a great choice as well...AMD RYZEN 5 2400G $99.99 on Newegg!

 

[TheHig]

Killer deal on the 2400g! Beats Microcenter by 20 bucks too. Also Newegg is available for everyone in the US who doesn't have a MC close by.

Have a 2400g in the HTPC on the Asrock Fatality B450 itx and it is very solid. 3200 GSkill cas 16 memory all day. Even C16 is fine if you can get the clocks at 2933 or better on these. Not even joking but Minecraft with the Kids on the 55 in 4k tv is fun as hell. ?

 

[Valantar]

Anandtech's topic in Computex

ASRock officially announced DeskMini A300 supports Ryzen 3000 APU ( 3400G & 3200G ) during Computex 2019 press conference.
We believed that new Ryzen 3000 APU features with higher clock to deliver better performance.
According to our internal test, 3D performance get around 6.5% boost.
About memory, we know AMD APU graphics performance related with memory speed and capacity.
(please refer to below table)

3DMark - Time Spy

	Ryzen 5 2400G	Ryzen 5 3400G
DDR4-2933MHz ( 8GB x 2 )	1187	1264 (+ 6.48%)
DDR4-3200MHz ( 8GB x 2)	1222	1305 (+ 6.79%)
DDR4-3200MHz (16GB x 2)	1288	1368

By the way, I so proud for DeskMini A300 is the best solution for AMD AM4 APU.
Considering C/P value, 2400G is a great choice as well...AMD RYZEN 5 2400G $99.99 on Newegg!

I have to say this little box has real staying power as an incredibly attractive piece of kit, particularly at that price. I just really, really wish the firmware was a bit more fully featured (particularly in terms of memory OC controls and APU undervolting, but also CPU support for those wanting to custom build PCs with GPUs connected by m.2). I think a good solution would be a "premium" SKU (parhaps $50 more?) with slightly beefed-up power delivery (higher rated power stages) and perhaps a slightly more powerful AC/DC brick?