Log Sliger S620 - ITX Master Piece!

[MarcParis]

Hi all,

As you might know, my last build log, based on Sliger CL530, led me to some frustrations as I failed to reach my expections with this case & hardware I put inside :
Check build log here
https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/sliger-cl530-tame-rtx-3090-fe-build-log.16125/post-238653

At the end, I didn't have any love in CL530 (dislike Cerberus-X).

Thus I decided to follow a different approach by giving a try (and hopefully succesful one) to Sliger S620.
Hopefully case was available in stock from Density.sk (thanks again @shadowfear)

Here are links to Sliger S620 web pages
https://sliger.com/products/cases/s620/
https://www.density.sk/product/sliger-s620-mini-itx/

Concept of Sliger S620 is pretty straight forward : Carry over Cerberus layout to mini-ITX with improvement & noticeable support of Noctua NH-D15 cpu aircooler & rear 120mm fan slot.

Here are interesting videos related to S620 :

Your first comment shoud be then : Why Sliger S620 over Cooler Master NR200?
Well, 2 main reasons made me choose S620 :

• Sliger build quality : S620 is already 4th case from Sliger. Their 100% metal construction makes them very durable. My past experience with Cooler master cases or products...well...well...not so successful.
• More compact & more assembly options :
  • "Noctua D15" but mostly 120mm rear fan option
  • 3xSFX positions
  • Front, back panel fan positions
  • Based on my Cerberus-X experience, I love playing with setups within same case

On top of that, RTX3090 FE seems as difficult to put inside Sliger S620 or NR200..

Here are components I will use in my setup :

• CPU : AMD R7 5800X, stock
• MB : Asus B450-i Strix
• RAM : Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8go (16-18-18-18-36)
• GPU : Nvidia RTX 3090 FE, tamed 1800Mhz@0.806v (GDDR6X +250Mhz, stable but leading to higher temperature, thus I leave it stock). Resizable BAR enabled
• SSD #1 : Samsung 840 Pro 240Go (2.5", Sata, System, GPT)
• SSD #2 : ADATA SX8200 Pro 2To (m.2, nvme)
• CPU cooler : Noctua D15S Black Edition
• PSU : Corsair SF750 (stock cables)

Let's start assembly, shall we?

Important note while using RTX3090 FE in S620, please follow those steps :

1. Put Motherboard without cpu cooler (MB back panel cutout is perfect!)
   
   
   
   
   
2. Put RTX3090 FE in position (good news, not external AC plug..)
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
3. Put case fans in place (I tried TOP double slim top, a bit too optimistic with D15S..)
   
   
   
   
   
   (no space for fan retainer with this orientation of D15S)
4. Put PSU & its bracket in position
   
   
   
   
   
5. Put CPU cooler without fan
6. Add CPU cooler fan (Fan retainer CPU cooler are imposing significant constraint)
   
   
   
   
   

I tried to put RTX3090 FE with PSU in place...it's simply no way..
Finally the most difficult part of the assembly is to assembly PSU & bracket, but nothing impossible, by far.

Let's get back to my specific build...

I tried already 2 different setup for fans :

• Setup #1: Rear intake with side & top exhaust
  • Rear : Noctua NF-A12x15 intake
  • D15S : Noctua NF-A15 "intake"
  • Side : Noctua NF-A12x15 exhaust
  • Top : Noctua NF-A12x15 exhaust
• Setup #2: Full exhaust
  • Rear : Noctua NF-A12x15 exhaust
  • D15S : Noctua NF-A15 "exhaust"
  • Side : Noctua NF-A12x25 Sterrox exhaust
  • Top : Noctua NF-A12x15 exhaust

As usual I used Control as benchmark.
Here are results :

• Setup #1:
  • RTX 3090 FE :
    • Power draw : 300-320w
    • Fan curve : customed
    • Fan speed : 1265 rpm
    • Core : up to 68°C
    • GDDR6X : up to 104°C
  • R7 5800X :
    • Power draw : 70w-75w
    • Core : up to 65°C
  • Noise :
    • Rear 120mm slim intake is just HORRIBLE, ruining this fan setup completely!
• Setup #2:
  • Special note : by mistake I fixed CPU cooler fan speed to 630rpm..
  • RTX 3090 FE :
    • Power draw : 300-320w
    • Fan curve : stock
    • Fan speed : 1134 rpm
    • Core : up to 63°C
    • GDDR6X : up to 102°C
  • R7 5800X :
    • Power draw : 70w-75w
    • Core : up to 70°C (it's below 70°C with not fixed CPU cooler fan..)
  • Noise :
    • Rear 120mm slim exhaust is now OK
    • Side NF-A12x25 (Sterrox) is rocking as quiet side exhaust..
    • Quiet gaming at around 300-310W GPU power load, on full air cooling..

Here is a long gameplay session with Assassin's Creed Valhalla (without issue of fixed fan speed on cpu cooler..)

Here are pictures of setup #2 build :

Overall I'm still positively surprised that Sliger S620 is performing (cooling & noise) in similar range with my sweet Cerberus-X.
This later is keeping some advantages (ease of assembly/disassembly, easy addition of storage, etc...) but it's obvious Sliger S620 is true heir of Cerberus case family!

As you know me well, this is only my first setup inside Sliger S620, like with Cerberus-X.
I'm already thinking of a new cooling setup, especially I met a new challenge with Resident Evil Village, where RTX 3090 FE can be using up to 350W (even with my optimised vcore!) almost in continue..

But that will be a story for another day..

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Update 20th May 2021 : Sliger S620, SFF King of Benchmarks (CPU, more gameplays)
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Here are additional benchmarks within Sliger S620.

At first I've tested in pure CPU cooling, using Intel Burn Test 2.54, Very High Profile.

I've tested with 2 fan speeds :

1. CPU Fan following PWM curve, NF-A15 is reaching approx 900rpm maximum
2. CPU with NF-A15 with its maximum speed (1500rpm)

Here is updated IBT 2.54 Very High CPU benchmark :

• Stock R7 5800X RAM @ 3200MTS (S620, Noctua D15S with NF-A15, Max Speed, 1500 RPM), average all cores clock of 4450Mhz approx :
  • IBT 2.54 Very High : 759.61sec (3.7% faster than R7 5800X in CL530)
  • Max temperature : 70.1°C
  • Max CPU Package Power : 134.88W
• Stock R7 5800X RAM @ 3200MTS (S620, Noctua D15S with NF-A15, PWM Curve, 900 RPM), average all cores clock of 4350/4400Mhz approx :
  • IBT 2.54 Very High : 763.66sec (3.3% faster than R7 5800X in CL530)
  • Max temperature : 76.4°C
  • Max CPU Package Power : 134.75W
• Stock R7 5800X RAM @ 3200MTS (CL530, Noctuaed IS-60 EVO), average all cores clock of 4250Mhz :
  • IBT 2.54 Very High : 789.41sec (13.8% faster than R7 3800X OC 4.3Ghz)
  • Max temperature : 86.3°C
  • Max CPU Package Power : 133.36W
• Overclocked R7 3800X 4.3Ghz @1.3125v RAM @ 3800MTS (Asetek 645LT Intake, Side Exhaust) :
  • IBT 2.54 Very High : 915.72sec
  • Max temperature : 78.9°C
  • Max CPU Package Power : 120.03W
• Overclocked R7 3800X 4.3Ghz @1.3125v RAM @ 3800MTS (Noctua C14S Push/Pull Intake) :
  • IBT 2.54 Very High : 915.80sec
  • Cinebench R20 (multi) : 5120
  • Max temperature : 73.9°C
  • Max CPU Package Power : 119.23W
• Overclocked R7 3800X 4.3Ghz @1.3125v RAM @ 3800MTS (customed 92mm watercooling, push/pull) :
  • IBT 2.54 Very High : 917.12sec
  • Max temperature : 79.5°C
  • Max CPU Package Power : 118.33W

Regarding CPU cooling performance, nothing to say that, except that Noctua D15S is king of the hill in my SFF experience.
Only strong watercooling (240 or 280) could provide equivalent or better cooling..

I'm very impressed again by Sliger S620 as it can fit easily this infamous D15S..

Here are screenshots :

On top of that I've also tested Sliger S620 in Cyberpunk 2077. Once again thermals & noise were great (especially vs CL530) :


In addition I've created dedicated Youtube palylist with my monitored gameplays :



At last I've finally created a compelte Imgur Album/Post :

What about cats?!

 

[seppola]

nice build

I also have a s620, built initially with Noctua D15s (tested with and without 2 fans, fans top, fans all over the place). For the fun of it, I recently tried a U12A. Sold the D15s as the U12A can be had as silent and it cools my 5800x as good (or close to). D15s is nice and all, but you get a bit more room to work with in the case with a U12A.

 

[MarcParis]

nice build

I also have a s620, built initially with Noctua D15s (tested with and without 2 fans, fans top, fans all over the place). For the fun of it, I recently tried a U12A. Sold the D15s as the U12A can be had as silent and it cools my 5800x as good (or close to). D15s is nice and all, but you get a bit more room to work with in the case with a U12A.

Thanks!

Yes I was also looking to test U12A as I appreciate so much those NF A12x25 Sterrox fans..
It's making a lot of sense to use U12A in S620 versus D15S, especially as it can lead to better GPU thermals (better & quieter rear exhaust).

Do you have pictures of your build?

 

[threestripevida]

Nice build log. I’m in the S620 as well and I’m using the same cpu and gpu as you. I have rear intake with the slim fan on the D15S since having it directly on the case cause some turbulence. Not sure how much it helped, but having a 140mm fan as exhaust on the side might help as well.

 

[seppola]

Thanks!

Yes I was also looking to test U12A as I appreciate so much those NF A12x25 Sterrox fans..
It's making a lot of sense to use U12A in S620 versus D15S, especially as it can lead to better GPU thermals (better & quieter rear exhaust).

Do you have pictures of your build?

unfortunately no pictures.

I got my setup with side (12x25mm) and top exhaust (2x 12x15mm). U12A is "pulling" air from rear. However, I do not have a fan on rear, as whatever fan I had there (15 or 25mm) there was a annoying sound present (seemes it originated at the "case holes"). Maybe ill put one there at some point again and put it at low RPM. But dunno how much it would improve it all.

 

[MarcParis]

unfortunately no pictures.

I got my setup with side (12x25mm) and top exhaust (2x 12x15mm). U12A is "pulling" air from rear. However, I do not have a fan on rear, as whatever fan I had there (15 or 25mm) there was a annoying sound present (seemes it originated at the "case holes"). Maybe ill put one there at some point again and put it at low RPM. But dunno how much it would improve it all.

Yes true I experienced same issue with anormal fan noise with rear intake. Moving same fan as exhaust was way better.
For now, I like a lot D15S (with Asus B450 board) as it fits so well S620 with good clearance with GPU and top.

Top exhaust not really needed as soon as you have side exhaust. I was thinking to remove my remaining top fan, replacing my SFX PSU (SF750) by SX800 LTI.
To be checked if it can lead to any progress.

 

[Arie]

Space optimized Very nice

How close is the AC connector to the GPU? It looks really close on the pictures.

 

[MarcParis]

Space optimized Very nice

How close is the AC connector to the GPU? It looks really close on the pictures.

Thanks!
I guess they are in contact, very gentle one... As if it was done on purpose..

 

[Valantar]

As expected, a gorgeous build. And so dense! The fitment of the CPU heatsink is amazing. Something like a J-Hack M2426 would probably drastically simplify cabling, but even with stock cables it really isn't bad, especially considering how dense that thing is. Thermals aren't bad either! The 3090's VRAM temps are a travesty, but that's the same in huge ATX builds, so no fault of yours of course. In this case you could probably bring them down by putting a thermal pad between the GPU backplate and the CPU heatsink Impressive work!

 

[MarcParis]

As expected, a gorgeous build. And so dense! The fitment of the CPU heatsink is amazing. Something like a J-Hack M2426 would probably drastically simplify cabling, but even with stock cables it really isn't bad, especially considering how dense that thing is. Thermals aren't bad either! The 3090's VRAM temps are a travesty, but that's the same in huge ATX builds, so no fault of yours of course. In this case you could probably bring them down by putting a thermal pad between the GPU backplate and the CPU heatsink Impressive work!

Thanks!

I'm not really a fan of customed PSU cable as it's too specific for my taste. For this build, default PSU cable are working great.

Indeed those GDDR6X/VRAM temperature is the main thermal bottleneck for this RTX3090 (FE or not..). I need to review what is full process to replace thermal pads on back plate only...hopefully I'm not a crypto currenty miner..
Otherwise on core temperature, RTX3090 FE is really really effective.
Yesterday on 3 hours gaming session on Resident Evil Village (continous power usage 300-320W...mostly 310W+, no power drop while in menu, dislike Control or Cyberpunk), RTX3090 core was reaching 67°C and GDDR6X 104°C (with peaks to 106°C) with RTX3090 FE fans spinning at around 1260rpm.

R7 5800X was around 63°C (but Resident Evil Village is not using a lot of CPU)

It was cool & quiet, even with 300W+ load...as discussed in C4 SFX thread, watercooling appears to be useless, at least in thermal point of view..

Very impressed overall.
Most probably I will share more gameplay videos..

 

[MarcParis]

As promised here is pretty long Resident Evil Village Gameplay (almost 30 min) from game start to entering Village itself..

 

[MarcParis]

Here are additional benchmarks within Sliger S620.

At first I've tested in pure CPU cooling, using Intel Burn Test 2.54, Very High Profile.

I've tested with 2 fan speeds :

1. CPU Fan following PWM curve, NF-A15 is reaching approx 900rpm maximum
2. CPU with NF-A15 with its maximum speed (1500rpm)

Here is updated IBT 2.54 Very High CPU benchmark :

• Stock R7 5800X RAM @ 3200MTS (S620, Noctua D15S with NF-A15, Max Speed, 1500 RPM), average all cores clock of 4450Mhz approx :
  • IBT 2.54 Very High : 759.61sec (3.7% faster than R7 5800X in CL530)
  • Max temperature : 70.1°C
  • Max CPU Package Power : 134.88W
• Stock R7 5800X RAM @ 3200MTS (S620, Noctua D15S with NF-A15, PWM Curve, 900 RPM), average all cores clock of 4350/4400Mhz approx :
  • IBT 2.54 Very High : 763.66sec (3.3% faster than R7 5800X in CL530)
  • Max temperature : 76.4°C
  • Max CPU Package Power : 134.75W
• Stock R7 5800X RAM @ 3200MTS (CL530, Noctuaed IS-60 EVO), average all cores clock of 4250Mhz :
  • IBT 2.54 Very High : 789.41sec (13.8% faster than R7 3800X OC 4.3Ghz)
  • Max temperature : 86.3°C
  • Max CPU Package Power : 133.36W
• Overclocked R7 3800X 4.3Ghz @1.3125v RAM @ 3800MTS (Asetek 645LT Intake, Side Exhaust) :
  • IBT 2.54 Very High : 915.72sec
  • Max temperature : 78.9°C
  • Max CPU Package Power : 120.03W
• Overclocked R7 3800X 4.3Ghz @1.3125v RAM @ 3800MTS (Noctua C14S Push/Pull Intake) :
  • IBT 2.54 Very High : 915.80sec
  • Cinebench R20 (multi) : 5120
  • Max temperature : 73.9°C
  • Max CPU Package Power : 119.23W
• Overclocked R7 3800X 4.3Ghz @1.3125v RAM @ 3800MTS (customed 92mm watercooling, push/pull) :
  • IBT 2.54 Very High : 917.12sec
  • Max temperature : 79.5°C
  • Max CPU Package Power : 118.33W

Regarding CPU cooling performance, nothing to say that, except that Noctua D15S is king of the hill in my SFF experience.
Only strong watercooling (240 or 280) could provide equivalent or better cooling..

I'm very impressed again by Sliger S620 as it can fit easily this infamous D15S..

Here are screenshots :

On top of that I've also tested Sliger S620 in Cyberpunk 2077. Once again thermals & noise were great (especially vs CL530) :


In addition I've created dedicated Youtube palylist with my monitored gameplays :



At last I've finally created a compelte Imgur Album/Post :

 

[BaK]

Nice box filled up to the max!
But.. no cats in the picture

 

[MarcParis]

Nice box filled up to the max!
But.. no cats in the picture

Thanks a lot!
Yeah you are right, no cats on S620 so far. As it's in living room, they are not interested with it as it's not high enough to dominate the world!..

I'll stay alert...who knows..

 

[MarcParis]

Here you are!

 

[BaK]

Yeah, they are beautiful!
You desk is not bad either!

 

[MarcParis]

Yeah, they are beautiful!
You desk is not bad either!

Thanks. For my desk I’m looking to potentially replace it...but it depends on final cost..

 

[MarcParis]

I’ve just checked compatibility of ASUS Z690-i and it is simply a massacre with Noctua coolers…
Noctua D15S, U12A, C14S, L12S (not exhaustive list) are not compatible.

It s simply a pity

 

[SFFMunkee]

I’ve just checked compatibility of ASUS Z690-i and it is simply a massacre with Noctua coolers…
Noctua D15S, U12A, C14S, L12S (not exhaustive list) are not compatible.

It s simply a pity

Even with new brackets? Is it because Intel 12xxx IHS is too large, or the heatsink brackets just wont fit with the motherboard/socket layout?

 

[Neathdrawls]

Even with new brackets? Is it because Intel 12xxx IHS is too large, or the heatsink brackets just wont fit with the motherboard/socket layout?

Most likely because the Noctua heatsinks are too large too fit with ASUS's Z690 board's monstrous VRM heatsinks and their mezzanine daughterboards.