HDPlex 200W AC-DC - I'm surprised nobody is talking about this

Tazpr

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Actually, with the new 45W-65W normal and T series 9th gen processors this could be a great solution with an ITX 2060 for nano system in something under 4 liters.

I reckon a 9700 with a 2060 ITX would make for a nigh perfect nano-gaming PC.
 

masteraleph

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Actually, with the new 45W-65W normal and T series 9th gen processors this could be a great solution with an ITX 2060 for nano system in something under 4 liters.

I reckon a 9700 with a 2060 ITX would make for a nigh perfect nano-gaming PC.
Doesn't the 2060 use something like 160W at load?
 

Tazpr

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How do I directly quote posts with this new forum?...

Doesn't the 2060 use something like 160W at load?
I'm actually not sure, I didn't think so but maybe since it's roughly the same speed as a 1080 but slightly lower power draw...
 

Aki

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You can underclock the 2060 (or the 1070) to around 120w without loosing a lot of performance. Though I'm not sure how much Raytracing would consume. My card is running with 75% power target, slight tweaks to the clocks/voltage curve and some changes to the temp throttling curve (not sure if it works) and is hitting around 1800-1900mhz in most games I play (Black Desert, Warframe, Monster Hunter World).
 
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Seems like a perfect setup for a 35W TDP 9x00T model combined with a 1660Ti or an undervolted 2060.
1 or 2 sticks of RAM, an M.2 SSD or two, and a low profile HSF should give you all the juice you need to game at 1080p while sipping electricity from a lighter socket, or a battery backup.
 

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Would it be safe to run a 65W TDP Intel chip like a 9400 and a 1660ti with this unit? It appears that the 1660ti has similar power draw to a 1060, I'm worried about running too close to the 200W limit (and/or over the 220W peak).

If not, would I have to go with a 1650 because the 1660 and 1660ti have the same TDP?
 

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Would it be safe to run a 65W TDP Intel chip like a 9400 and a 1660ti with this unit? It appears that the 1660ti has similar power draw to a 1060, I'm worried about running too close to the 200W limit (and/or over the 220W peak).

If not, would I have to go with a 1650 because the 1660 and 1660ti have the same TDP?
You can always undervolt the 1660 Ti to cut down on the power consumption. Usually you can keep clock speeds and trim voltage down by 5-10% without losing any performance.
 

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Would the 200W HDPlex be able to deal with this build?

OuterVision PSU Calculator part list https://outervision.com/b/niRryL

Motherboard: Desktop
CPU: 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 2700
CPU Speed: 3200MHz
CPU Vcore: 1.1V
CPU Utilization: 90%
Memory: 2 x 16GB DDR4 Module
Video Card Set 1: 1 x NVIDIA Quadro P1000
Core Clock: 1354MHz
Memory Clock: 1752MHz
Storage: 1 x PCIe SSD < 500GB
Storage: 1 x PCIe SSD > 500GB
Other Device: 3 x USB 3.0 Device
Keyboard: 1 x Standard Keyboard
Mouse: 1 x Standard Mouse
Fan: 1 x 92mm
Fan: 2 x 80mm
Computer Utilization: 8 hours per day
Gaming/Video Editing/3D Rendering Time: 8 hours per day
Monitor: 1 x LED 19 inches

Load Wattage: 292W
Recommended Wattage: 342W
Amperage: +3.3V: 9.8A, +5V: 11.5A, +12V: 16.8A
Recommended UPS Rating: 650VA
Generated by OuterVision PSU Calculator 2019-05-21 05:27:20
 

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Load Wattage: 292W
Recommended Wattage: 342W
Amperage: +3.3V: 9.8A, +5V: 11.5A, +12V: 16.8A
Looks like it's too much to squeeze out of it... almost 17 Amps from the 12v rail and more than 10 Amps from 5.5v rail. If this was calculated based on 90% workload, as outervision calc uses to do, I'd go with the 400w AC-DC unit instead.
 

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That system will absolutely not pull 292W, Outervision is way off base with those estimates. I have a 8700K and P2000 running just fine on a UHP-200-24 and Dynamo Mini. Pulls max like 170 from the wall (if that). Also haven't even bothered to undervolt etc.
 

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@Kmpkt - Anyway I can figure out a true estimate for my build? I am looking at seeing if I can go with a 75W GPU like a 1050ti Low Profile. PC Part Picker says it is currently at 200W with the P1000, but I'm not sure that's completely accurate as well.
 

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The way I typically calculate wattage is I use a base of 30W for M.2/motherboard/USB/Chipset/etc. as a baseline. Provided you aren't using an array of mechanical drives, this should provide you with a generous budget for chipset, etc.

The P1000 is a PCIe slot powered card which means max 75W consumption. Considering the P2000 which is a significantly more powerful card also is powered from the PCIe slot, the real draw of the P1000 is likely well below 75W.

With respect to the CPU and other GPUs I normally look for power consumption figures via either Anandtech or Toms Hardware who actually measure power consumption at peak of their hardware (most other reviewers simply read system consumption at the wall). As an example you can see the 2700X's peak consumption is pretty close to the rated TDP of 105W under load:


From there you can calculate a dual stress peak wattage of 30W + 75W + 105W = 210W

The reality is that short of running an all-core Prime95 Blender and a Furmark you'll never even come close to 210W. Furthermore the HDPlex 200W system will actually handle over 200W for a sustained amount of time if necessary (not recommended). Given my experiences with the Dynamo Mini, the limiting factor of the power system will be the DC-DC supply's overcurrent protection.

Also keep in mind you can undervolt all components and likely shave a considerable amount of consumption from your budget.
 

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@Kmpkt - Cheers, according to that article the 2700 has a lower than the Ryzen 5 models! Can RAM influence power draw?

The P1000 has a TDP of 45W.
 

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RAM in included in the 30W and I wouldn't think that overclocking it to say 3200 MHz is going to massively influence those numbers.

While I can't find good chip-only numbers on the 2700, the TDP is 65W and system draw benchmarks would suggest that this is the actual power draw of the chip when maxed out is likely in the 75W range. Adding 30W for "the other stuff" and 45W for your GPU, you'd probably be safe running the entire system on the old
HDPlex 160W AC-DC/DC-DC combo if you had to. The 200W should manage your configuration with substantial headroom and very comfortable thermals.
 
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@Kmpkt - Thanks for you help. I've decided I'm going to go with the 1050 Ti LP (Or successor) instead of the P1000. I feel more comfortable going with it now. The maths comes out as (Motherboard & Extras) 30W + (Ryzen 7 2700) 65/75W + (Geforce 1050 Ti) = 175W/180W
 
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Hopefully this means that 300w and 400 w in the coming years to catch up to g-unique but in a more acessable, reliable way.
 

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I don't see 19V pico units going much higher than 200W due to the physical constraints to cooling the components required for 19V to 12V conversion. I think the future most likely will be high efficiency (GaN or SiC) AC-DC conversion with small 12V distro units like the G-Unique.
 

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I don't see 19V pico units going much higher than 200W due to the physical constraints to cooling the components required for 19V to 12V conversion. I think the future most likely will be high efficiency (GaN or SiC) AC-DC conversion with small 12V distro units like the G-Unique.
So you think we'll be seeing more external 12V bricks, just higher wattage and efficiency?
 

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I don't see 19V pico units going much higher than 200W due to the physical constraints to cooling the components required for 19V to 12V conversion. I think the future most likely will be high efficiency (GaN or SiC) AC-DC conversion with small 12V distro units like the G-Unique.
Mhm the dream!
Wonder when they will show up.
 
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