Production FormD T1 Classic (READ FIRST POST)

[Dudu_head]

Testing High Ventilation Panel (expensive) vs Lower Ventilation Panel (cheaper).

The Ghost S1 uses 3mm holes, the T1 will use 4mm holes, so the Lower Ventilation Panel still has more ventilation.

The real challenge is cost, higher ventilation = 25%-40% more holes to be drilled, if you factor in failure rate (more holes = more likely to warp panel), that's going to be $15-$30 extra per panel depending on MOQ. For people running mid level setups, I don't know if it's even worth it.

If the high ventilation panels will be $15-30 higher in cost, what would a top specced case cost, in theory?

 

[Wahaha360]

If the high ventilation panels will be $15-30 higher in cost, what would a top specced case cost, in theory?

Still trying to keep it around $200 for the all black with aluminum ventilated panel.

 

[AMv8-1day]

As I recall, the TX240 is wider than the LT240, necessitating more machining to include compatibility for it. Since it didn't perform better than the LT240, support for it was going to be dropped. Did that change?

So wait, was compatibility for the TX240 dropped? Where does that leave the other thin rads in the 20-28mm range? Do we have current, hard inner dimensions so that no one wastes their time buying other rads? I'm sure it's mentioned somewhere, but I had issues finding hard clearance numbers on the motherboard - floor and GPU - floor. I would assume 40mm & 55mm respectively, but knowing that there were 1-4 more millimeters here or there could open up the possibility of wider radiator support for the 26-28mm radiators, giving people more options to experiment. I completely understand wanting to call it a day at some point with testing and iterating for radiator compatibility, but no harm in providing the inner dimensions to give others the chance to try for themselves. I'd happily shell out to have another radiator or two shipped out to you, even if only for test fitting purposes.

XSPC TX240 = 20.5 x 125 x 278mm, FPI: 22
XSPC TX240 Crossflow = 20.5 x 125 x 297mm, FPI: 22
Alphacool Eisbaer LT = 25 x 120 x 270mm, FPI: 16
Other radiators:
Silverstone Tundra TD02 = 22 x 120 x 273mm (AI)
EK Coolstream SE = 26 x 120 x 280mm, FPI: 22
EK Coolstream Classic SE = 27 x 120 x 273mm, FPI: 16
Magicool G2 = 27 x 120 x 272mm, FPI: 16
Magicool G2 X-Flow = 27 x 120 x 272mm, FPI: 16
Bitspower Touchaqua Tarasque = 27 x 120 x 273.5mm ???
Swiftech Hydrae GT = 27mm ???
Koolance HX-CU720V = 28 x 120 x 276mm, FPI: 30 (AI)
Black Ice GT Stealth = 29.6 x 133 x 277mm, FPI: 30
Black Ice Nemesis GTS = 29.6 x 133 x 278mm, FPI: 16
Black Ice Nemesis GTS XFlow = 29.6 x 133 x 292mm, FPI: 16
Black Ice Nemesis LS = 29.6 x 120 x 278mm, FPI: 16
Edit:
Added
DarkSide LP240 = 27.5 x 121 x 275mm, FPI: 17
DarkSide Cross-flow LP240 = 27.5 x 121 x 291(281)mm, FPI: 17

After digging up the basics on all of the sub-30mm rads I could find, honestly I didn't see any standout winners that weren't likely to be too wide or too long. That said, it wouldn't be bad to know for sure what our clearances were for future products, as well as having other options for people that aren't easily able to aquire the Alphacool AIO.

 

[AMv8-1day]

We will most likely go with the higher ventilation, because I'm trying to get to 75C on the 9900K 160W-180W OC inside the case, which makes me feel good about 3700X/3800X/3900X OC.

It's that 3950X, I have no idea what to do.

Sounds like a job for a high quality DDC pump! ;p

 

[madmax]

Testing High Ventilation Panel (expensive) vs Lower Ventilation Panel (cheaper).

The Ghost S1 uses 3mm holes, the T1 will use 4mm holes, so the Lower Ventilation Panel still has more ventilation.

The real challenge is cost, higher ventilation = 25%-40% more holes to be drilled, if you factor in failure rate (more holes = more likely to warp panel), that's going to be $15-$30 extra per panel depending on MOQ. For people running mid level setups, I don't know if it's even worth it.

SFF is an enthusiast niche not because of the prices but because of the compactness, design and quality. People who spend 200 or more on cases like this, definitely are not going to use midrange hardware in there - actually, most SFF Builds i've seen around the web use absolute high end hardware. Especially in this, complete CNC machine case - this won't be for the average pc builder! This is for people who like to cramp hardware into tiny, stylish and high quality cases. And yes, they still care a lot (probably even more than the average pc builder) about temps and noise levels. Please do not make the mistake to sacrifice airflow for a few bucks. There are already more than enough cases who do this mistake. The Streacom DA2 for example has been destroyed because of it's low vented panels, which look quite similiar to the one on the right you got there...
Someone who's ready to pay 200 for this case will also buy it for 230 or more. People who say at 200 that they are interested, but at 230 that they can no longer afford the case, talk nonsense. They've been looking in the wrong price region from the start.

 

[incunabula]

So wait, was compatibility for the TX240 dropped? Where does that leave the other thin rads in the 20-28mm range? Do we have current, hard inner dimensions so that no one wastes their time buying other rads? I'm sure it's mentioned somewhere, but I had issues finding hard clearance numbers on the motherboard - floor and GPU - floor. I would assume 40mm & 55mm respectively, but knowing that there were 1-4 more millimeters here or there could open up the possibility of wider radiator support for the 26-28mm radiators, giving people more options to experiment. I completely understand wanting to call it a day at some point with testing and iterating for radiator compatibility, but no harm in providing the inner dimensions to give others the chance to try for themselves. I'd happily shell out to have another radiator or two shipped out to you, even if only for test fitting purposes.

XSPC TX240 = 20.5 x 125 x 278mm, FPI: 22
XSPC TX240 Crossflow = 20.5 x 125 x 297mm, FPI: 22
Alphacool Eisbaer LT = 25 x 120 x 270mm, FPI: 16
Other radiators:
Silverstone Tundra TD02 = 22 x 120 x 273mm (AI)
EK Coolstream SE = 26 x 120 x 280mm, FPI: 22
EK Coolstream Classic SE = 27 x 120 x 273mm, FPI: 16
Magicool G2 = 27 x 120 x 272mm, FPI: 16
Magicool G2 X-Flow = 27 x 120 x 272mm, FPI: 16
Bitspower Touchaqua Tarasque = 27 x 120 x 273.5mm ???
Swiftech Hydrae GT = 27mm ???
Koolance HX-CU720V = 28 x 120 x 276mm, FPI: 30 (AI)
Black Ice GT Stealth = 29.6 x 133 x 277mm, FPI: 30
Black Ice Nemesis GTS = 29.6 x 133 x 278mm, FPI: 16
Black Ice Nemesis GTS XFlow = 29.6 x 133 x 292mm, FPI: 16
Black Ice Nemesis LS = 29.6 x 120 x 278mm, FPI: 16

After digging up the basics on all of the sub-30mm rads I could find, honestly I didn't see any standout winners that weren't likely to be too wide or too long. That said, it wouldn't be bad to know for sure what our clearances were for future products, as well as having other options for people that aren't easily able to aquire the Alphacool AIO.

Currently, there is a single 240mm rad that meets the design philosophy: the LT240. No other 240 will fit, and the radiator included with the LT240 AIO (according to Alphacool) cannot be purchased separately.

 

[Shinken1]

The real challenge is cost, higher ventilation = 25%-40% more holes to be drilled, if you factor in failure rate (more holes = more likely to warp panel), that's going to be $15-$30 extra per panel depending on MOQ. For people running mid level setups, I don't know if it's even worth it.

From your pics the panel with more ventilation looks nicer as well as being more functional.
Personally $30 for a more premium looking device alone is worth it.

 

[Sebbie]

I can think of the Eisbaer LT Solo or the Swiftech Apogee Drive II for the CPU Block/Pump and the XSPC TX240 20mm radiator to save some space. Acceptable temps is something else altogether though.

Well im getting the alphacool 240LT just for the 25mm radiator with 2 x 15mm noctua fans + apogee drive 2
Thats more than enough cooling for my GPU and CPU

 

[Sebbie]

Testing High Ventilation Panel (expensive) vs Lower Ventilation Panel (cheaper).

The Ghost S1 uses 3mm holes, the T1 will use 4mm holes, so the Lower Ventilation Panel still has more ventilation.

The real challenge is cost, higher ventilation = 25%-40% more holes to be drilled, if you factor in failure rate (more holes = more likely to warp panel), that's going to be $15-$30 extra per panel depending on MOQ. For people running mid level setups, I don't know if it's even worth it.

Get the higher ventilation panels!

 

[AMv8-1day]

Currently, there is a single 240mm rad that meets the design philosophy: the LT240. No other 240 will fit, and the radiator included with the LT240 AIO (according to Alphacool) cannot be purchased separately.

Well thank you for that utterly useless statement that didn't actually say anything of substance. I asked for the inner dimensions, not some absolute statement or someone to tell me what to put in my case. If I wanted a case maker to tell me exactly what to put in my case instead of giving me the needed details to design a build for myself, I'd buy an Apple product.

 

[PBJ]

Well im getting the alphacool 240LT just for the 25mm radiator with 2 x 15mm noctua fans + apogee drive 2
Thats more than enough cooling for my GPU and CPU

Sounds good, I was thinking of a similar setup down the road. Any reason for both fans being 15mm?

 

[Sebbie]

Sounds good, I was thinking of a similar setup down the road. Any reason for both fans being 15mm?

Not really depends on how much space below the PSU for all the cables

 

[PBJ]

Not really depends on how much space below the PSU for all the cables

Custom unsleeved cables should save a ton of space. Just like the grey ones in the previous T1 picture.I wonder where Wahaha got them, they look really nice.

 

[OtackKulandinglar]

Currently, there is a single 240mm rad that meets the design philosophy: the LT240. No other 240 will fit, and the radiator included with the LT240 AIO (according to Alphacool) cannot be purchased separately.

Actually, you can buy the pump on its own, the Alphacool Eisbaer LT Solo

Alphacool Eisbaer LT (Solo) - Black

Die beliebte Eisbaer LT als AiO-Wasserkühlungsvariante gibt es nun auch in der Solo-Ausführung. Damit hast du die Möglichkeit deine eigene AiO-Lösung ganz nach Wunsch zu gestalten. Denn alle Anschlüsse verwenden das, aus dem...

www.alphacool.com

Edit: Bah, nevermind, I thought you said the block, but you said the radiator. Reading comprehension fail

 

[Sebbie]

Custom unsleeved cables should save a ton of space. Just like the grey ones in the previous T1 picture.I wonder where Wahaha got them, they look really nice.

Looks like i Can use the 12x25 from Noctua on one side i guess, already have custom sleeved cables from PSlate that fit in ny Ghost the lenght of the cables should be the same!

 

[incunabula]

Actually, you can buy the pump on its own, the Alphacool Eisbaer LT Solo

Alphacool Eisbaer LT (Solo) - Black

Die beliebte Eisbaer LT als AiO-Wasserkühlungsvariante gibt es nun auch in der Solo-Ausführung. Damit hast du die Möglichkeit deine eigene AiO-Lösung ganz nach Wunsch zu gestalten. Denn alle Anschlüsse verwenden das, aus dem...

www.alphacool.com

Edit: Bah, nevermind, I thought you said the block, but you said the radiator. Reading comprehension fail

Thanks anyway!

 

[PBJ]

Looks like i Can use the 12x25 from Noctua on one side i guess, already have custom sleeved cables from PSlate that fit in ny Ghost the lenght of the cables should be the same!

Then you’re set! Looking forward on seeing how you cram all those tubes in such a tiny space!

 

[Beardedswede]

As I heard it from gamers Nexus . it's not about hole size but more how much % is hole VS what is not. (correct?) You need certain % to have a good airflow. Small or big holes.

In this silly video. the case has 84.7% steel 15,3% airflow. That's why this case had bad thermal performance. Take that for what it worth..


Maybe even more holes are need and the panel needs to be reinforced in some additional way.
. Who knows. I'm just putting it out there.
Becouse people are getting something like 10 celcius difference from removing the top plate on the ghost s1 if remember correctly. Side panels I's possibly even more crucial.

 

[Sebbie]

Then you’re set! Looking forward on seeing how you cram all those tubes in such a tiny space!

Its not gonna be much more different than my ghost s1 since the layout is nearly the same

 

[OtackKulandinglar]

How is that Prototype 2 looking? Motherboard toasted? We're dying here.