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Increase volume from 9.8L to 10.5L to support MSI Suprim X 30XX?

  • Yes, worth the trade off to be more compatible with components

    Votes: 116 24.7%
  • No, not worth it b/c it is not better than the ROG 30XX, which fits now at <10L

    Votes: 353 75.3%

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GerryMz

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Apr 23, 2019
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just out of curiosity, which brands of 120mm radiators/ AIO are going to be compatible ? and are they better than the L12s?
 

Sebbie

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The limited 240 radiator support is there for the Ryzen 3950X Turbo Boost (not sure about OC).

Aside from that CPU, a 120 radiator, via AIO or custom loop should be enough for upcoming Inte and Ryzen CPUs Turbo Boost and moderate OC @ <80C.

Sure but i need my GPU to be watercooled aswell, then a 120mm radiator isnt gonna cut it :(
 

Wahaha360

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Sure but i need my GPU to be watercooled aswell, then a 120mm radiator isnt gonna cut it :(

You can always get a bigger case or another case?

As much as I wish otherwise, you are in hardcore territory to run a CPU + GPU custom full loop in this case.

As long as you know it's going to take patience, sure why not.
 

schn1tt3r

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Sep 24, 2018
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You can always get a bigger case or another case?

Exactly this... if you NEED full custom loop, then look for a case that fits your needs, not go looking for the smallest cases out there and ask their creators to make them bigger just for you.

If you want the challenge of making stuff fit in a small case, that's another discussion but one where you shouldn't be asking to make case creator fit your needs regardless.
 

Wahaha360

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More philosophy:

You can make most people happy some of the time, or some of the people most of the time, I chose later.

I understand some of you guys have needs beyond what's offered, but I ask you guys to understand trying to make everyone happy is a recipe for ATX case.
 

yoyo55

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Aug 15, 2015
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Either way i'm cooling the GPU and CPU with a 120mm rad. I had a 240mm radiator in my NCase M1 that cooled my 8700k and 1080ti nicely. Why 120mm you may ask? Cuz I'm Badass
 
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Sebbie

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You can always get a bigger case or another case?

As much as I wish otherwise, you are in hardcore territory to run a CPU + GPU custom full loop in this case.

As long as you know it's going to take patience, sure why not.

well already have 240 rad on cpu + gpu in the ghost s1, and temps is fine, but the ghost is crap quality, and therefor in need of a new case

a 240 rad + 15mm fans is compatible in the Sidearm correct? then it will be fine
 

Sebbie

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But i dont get, if you are not supporting 240mm rads, why are we seeing thermal tests with 240 radiators :S
 

PBJ

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well already have 240 rad on cpu + gpu in the ghost s1, and temps is fine, but the ghost is crap quality, and therefor in need of a new case

a 240 rad + 15mm fans is compatible in the Sidearm correct? then it will be fine
25mm fan below PSU, 15mm below motherboard.
 
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sffman

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Jun 8, 2019
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I'm thinking of using an LT240 with a 4000+ rpm 25 mm fan in combination with a noctua slim fan. That should provide enough cooling for an overclocked 3950x.
 
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Wahaha360

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But i dont get, if you are not supporting 240mm rads, why are we seeing thermal tests with 240 radiators :S

Only supporting 240 by 25mm or less thick as a bonus, afaik, there are only 3 on the market, and I tested all 3 to benchmark.

Given that the 25mm thick Alphacool LT 240 is better than most common AIOs on the market, we have been working on a custom 120mm to try and match the LT240, so having those numbers gives me an idea on the gap for performance.
 

Sebbie

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Only supporting 240 by 25mm or less thick as a bonus, afaik, there are only 3 on the market, and I tested all 3 to benchmark.

Given that the 25mm thick Alphacool LT 240 is better than most common AIOs on the market, we have been working on a custom 120mm to try and match the LT240, so having those numbers gives me an idea on the gap for performance.

Thats cool by me, XSPC have made a 20mm thick radiator soo all good, and im sure i can find some slim 25mm radiators On alisexpress
 

quetzacoatlx

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Aug 11, 2017
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Only supporting 240 by 25mm or less thick as a bonus, afaik, there are only 3 on the market, and I tested all 3 to benchmark.

Given that the 25mm thick Alphacool LT 240 is better than most common AIOs on the market, we have been working on a custom 120mm to try and match the LT240, so having those numbers gives me an idea on the gap for performance.
Do you mean by 25mm radiator + 15mm fans? The total width is around 40mm?
 

AMv8-1day

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Has anyone worked with the Magicool 27mm rads or the EK Coolstream SE 28mm rads?
Obviously it would be tight, but with a pair of Scythe Slipstream 12mm fans, they might fit.
Of course going over 25mm would limit your ability to fit a 25mm fan in the back...
Edit:
Just so I'm operating on accurate info, the motherboard section is limited to 40mm while the PSU section is limited to 50mm right?
 
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Lunesta

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Jun 3, 2019
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Has anyone worked with the Magicool 27mm rads or the EK Coolstream SE 28mm rads?
Obviously it would be tight, but with a pair of Scythe Slipstream 12mm fans, they might fit.
Of course going over 25mm would limit your ability to fit a 25mm fan in the back...

Given that the testing comparison features Koolance HX-CU420V, a 38mm thick 120 rad, with
noctuas a12x25 I'd say you are fine in the back. Whether it'll outperform with a 12mm fan is a
different story, one I'd be very interested to see actually.

Actually, an interesting point with those Scythe Slipstream fans. Although I don't personally
know them, they offer a solution to all the people begging for a 27mm aio solution. Sure it
may not be noctua, but the option is there at least.

Edit: 38mm might be wrong, a picture on the first page indicates that the koolance is 30mm
thick. In any case, that is still thicker than the SE 28mm.
 
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AMv8-1day

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Given that the testing comparison features Koolance HX-CU420V, a 38mm thick 120 rad, with
noctuas a12x25 I'd say you are fine in the back. Whether it'll outperform with a 12mm fan is a
different story, one I'd be very interested to see actually.

Actually, an interesting point with those Scythe Slipstream fans. Although I don't personally
know them, they offer a solution to all the people begging for a 27mm aio solution. Sure it
may not be noctua, but the option is there at least.
Yeah, and although yes, everyone would love to make every fan a Noctua fan, at least you wouldn't have to deal with ugly brown?
If you can fit at least 63mm in the back, and the front gives you 40mm of total clearance, would a 35-38mm radiator with a single 25mm fan give enough surface area to make up for the lack of a front fan?