Motherboard Sapphire 5x5 Ryzen embedded APU

Zackmd1

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Did a quick search and didn't see anything...

http://www.sapphiretech.com/catapage_pd.asp?cataid=350&lang=eng

Anyone see this yet?? Small board with what looks like 2 m.2 slots and a ryzen APU similar to the 2400g. Another article says they will see it directly through their site which makes me think we would have access to it. That plus the m.2 slots means there is a chance to expand it's capability graphics wise.

Full description:

"The AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1000 processor family brings together the breakthrough performance of the pioneering AMD “Zen” CPU and “Vega” GPU architectures in a seamlessly-integrated SoC solution that sets a new standard in processing power for next-generation embedded designs. Delivering discrete-GPU caliber graphics and multimedia processing, and compute performance up to 3.61 TFLOPS with thermal design power (TDP) as low as 12W and as high as 54W, AMD Ryzen Embedded V1000 SoCs equip system designers to achieve new levels of processing efficiency and design versatility."

Edit: Full specs just became available and a order now button is present! Follow the "learn more" link.
 
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Thehack

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Zackmd1

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Wow...

Well If you factor in the fact that you are getting essentially a 2400g and a main board, it is a bit more reasonable but still expensive...
 

E-Rod

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You also don’t need a whole PSU as it has a 19V DC jack, similar to the Intel NUCs.

Still though, it’s a tad pricey.
 

Brian_Buckley

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So this thing basically becomes obsolete if ASRock releases the Mini STX AM4 board it teased at Computex right? The only benefit I see to it is the integrated DC jack so that saves on space and a little bit of money but that's offset by how expensive this thing is in the first place. The price of this thing makes it a hard sell next to the maker board and especially next to the ASRock board if that comes out. All the display outputs are nice though.
 

wywywywy

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News article -
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/sapphire-amd-ryzen-v1000-apu,37408.html

Official product page -
http://www.sapphiretech.com/productdetial.asp?pid=CFE02E73-4BAD-4B5C-9812-5B7DFA41DA13&lang=eng

Prices
Code:
FS-FP5V1807B V1807B 35-54W 52093-00-40G - $450
FS-FP5V1756B V1756B 35-54W 52093-01-40G - $390
FS-FP5V1605B V1605B 12-25W 52093-02-40G - $340
FS-FP5V1202B V1202B 12-25W 52093-03-40G - $325

Ready for buying direct from Sapphire.

2x SODIMM. ECC compatible.

1x SATA, 1x M.2 NVMe

2x Realtek ethernet, no Wifi but 1x M.2 slot for Wifi card

4x DP. Not sure about DP-HDMI adapter compatibility.

1x USB 3.1 type C. 3x USB 2.0

No manual to download on the official page.

Not sure about cooler compatibility.
 

lhl

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I'm in the process of getting a couple the boards for eval (MOQ according to the rep is 500 although I'm sure it's flexible) - it's the first non COM Express V1000 board I've seen. My plan is to see how the 1807 compares to the 1605 in perf and maybe compare it to some of the similarly priced 8250U NUCs floating around (those are about $350 but have no docs/support). Pricing seems OK to me, a NUC7i7DNBE is over $500 (4" NUC FF) as a point of ref.

First run (eval boards etc) should be delivering end of this month from HK, 8-10wk lead time for volume orders.

A couple notes going through spec sheet/manual:

  • As mentioned, pricing seems ok/on par to me. A big part of what you pay for in an industrial board is a longer production cycle. Expected EOL for this board is 2023. Nothing messes with your cheerios more than having to reroll a new BSP for your systems.
  • 147.3mm x 139.7mm (5x5 == Mini-STX?), not a thin board, there's a full height header so you're not going to get below 30mm, there's a 10gbps USB3.1 type C but the rest (3x) of the USB ports are USB 2.0 :/
  • board comes with its own thermal solution apparently, mechanicals don't show dimensions but eyeballing it looks like a 48 or 50mm mount? almost no clearance next to the DIMM slots. unclear on heights of VRMs vs the chip package, if you wanted a custom thin/wide cooler you probably need to be prepared to do a bunch of validation/work on that
  • 4 x 4K@60 DP support w/ 4 full DP connectors (the main selling point of the V1000 for many I suspect)
  • Has ECC support according to rep. but not mentioned at all in the manual
  • 2 x RTL8111G gb ethernet
  • has a GPIO header (8 GPIO pins, 3.3V VCC), runs a Fintek F81803U i/o chip
  • COM1 header (RS232/422/485 select via jumpers)
  • AMI Aptio BIOS - relevant features: boost disable, Cstate and Pstate control, RAM timing, iGPU control (disable, frame buffer), IOMMU/NX/SVM support. You can it looks like also control power consumption profiles (12/15/25/35/45/54 W), can choose VDDP of 0.9V or 0.8V, has full RTC wake options (specific times, duration after shutdown, POR)
  • Claims support for Ubuntu 16.04.1 and Yocto 2.2 on launch, planned Ubuntu 18.04 and Yocto 2.5 support - we'll see how it goes, I'm actually running a home Raven Ridge 2400G server on Arch Linux (4.17 kernel) since it 18.04 wasn't happy at all earlier this year
  • I also have a Hades Canyon (which again has kernel driver issues), will run some GPU, thermals/power testing etc, can publish after I do if there's interest
I am in on the UDOO Bolt KS (1605 version) and I think for most hobbyists that's still a better board (onboard eMMC, much more useful GPIO (ATMega32U4) w/ arduino pinouts and grove connectors, 2xA and 2xC USB3.1 connectors, slightly smaller board, low profile) but December is a long time away.

If Asrock does release a ministx am4, that'll also probably be a cheaper/better solution for most people although the Bolt is still pretty price/feature competitive depending on what you want to use your board for.

For industrial/embedded the Sapphire board is of course much better suited than either of those. I'd be super interested if anyone manages a UTX or USFF V1000 board (doubtful though).
 
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RimsOnAToaster

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I'm in the process of getting a couple the boards for eval (MOQ according to the rep is 500 although I'm sure it's flexible) - it's the first non COM Express V1000 board I've seen. My plan is to see how the 1807 compares to the 1605 in perf and maybe compare it to some of the similarly priced 8250U NUCs floating around (those are about $350 but have no docs/support). Pricing seems OK to me, a NUC7i7DNBE is over $500 (4" NUC FF) as a point of ref.

First run (eval boards etc) should be delivering end of this month from HK, 8-10wk lead time for volume orders.

A couple notes going through spec sheet/manual:

  • As mentioned, pricing seems ok/on par to me. A big part of what you pay for in an industrial board is a longer production cycle. Expected EOL for this board is 2023. Nothing messes with your cheerios more than having to reroll a new BSP for your systems.
  • 147.3mm x 139.7mm (5x5 == Mini-STX?), not a thin board, there's a full height header so you're not going to get below 30mm, there's a 10gbps USB3.1 type C but the rest (3x) of the USB ports are USB 2.0 :/
  • board comes with its own thermal solution apparently, mechanicals don't show dimensions but eyeballing it looks like a 48 or 50mm mount? almost no clearance next to the DIMM slots. unclear on heights of VRMs vs the chip package, if you wanted a custom thin/wide cooler you probably need to be prepared to do a bunch of validation/work on that
  • 4 x 4K@60 DP support w/ 4 full DP connectors (the main selling point of the V1000 for many I suspect)
  • Has ECC support according to rep. but not mentioned at all in the manual
  • 2 x RTL8111G gb ethernet
  • has a GPIO header (8 GPIO pins, 3.3V VCC), runs a Fintek F81803U i/o chip
  • COM1 header (RS232/422/485 select via jumpers)
  • AMI Aptio BIOS - relevant features: boost disable, Cstate and Pstate control, RAM timing, iGPU control (disable, frame buffer), IOMMU/NX/SVM support. You can it looks like also control power consumption profiles (12/15/25/35/45/54 W), can choose VDDP of 0.9V or 0.8V, has full RTC wake options (specific times, duration after shutdown, POR)
  • Claims support for Ubuntu 16.04.1 and Yocto 2.2 on launch, planned Ubuntu 18.04 and Yocto 2.5 support - we'll see how it goes, I'm actually running a home Raven Ridge 2400G server on Arch Linux (4.17 kernel) since it 18.04 wasn't happy at all earlier this year
  • I also have a Hades Canyon (which again has kernel driver issues), will run some GPU, thermals/power testing etc, can publish after I do if there's interest
I am in on the UDOO Bolt KS (1605 version) and I think for most hobbyists that's still a better board (onboard eMMC, much more useful GPIO (ATMega32U4) w/ arduino pinouts and grove connectors, 2xA and 2xC USB3.1 connectors, slightly smaller board, low profile) but December is a long time away.

If Asrock does release a ministx am4, that'll also probably be a cheaper/better solution for most people although the Bolt is still pretty price/feature competitive depending on what you want to use your board for.

For industrial/embedded the Sapphire board is of course much better suited than either of those. I'd be super interested if anyone manages a UTX or USFF V1000 board (doubtful though).
Hey @lhl, I would love to see the results of whatever tests you decide to run with your FP5V and Hades Canyon boards if you end up doing some!
 

wesbl

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News article -
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/sapphire-amd-ryzen-v1000-apu,37408.html

Official product page -
http://www.sapphiretech.com/productdetial.asp?pid=CFE02E73-4BAD-4B5C-9812-5B7DFA41DA13&lang=eng

Prices
Code:
FS-FP5V1807B V1807B 35-54W 52093-00-40G - $450
FS-FP5V1756B V1756B 35-54W 52093-01-40G - $390
FS-FP5V1605B V1605B 12-25W 52093-02-40G - $340
FS-FP5V1202B V1202B 12-25W 52093-03-40G - $325

Ready for buying direct from Sapphire.

2x SODIMM. ECC compatible.

1x SATA, 1x M.2 NVMe

2x Realtek ethernet, no Wifi but 1x M.2 slot for Wifi card

4x DP. Not sure about DP-HDMI adapter compatibility.

1x USB 3.1 type C. 3x USB 2.0

No manual to download on the official page.

Not sure about cooler compatibility.

You can't buy directly from SAPPHIRE but you can contact one of their partners, Blejour (https://www.bleujour.com/en/).
Thet will also release one small pc before the end of this summer.


 

lhl

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Hey @lhl, I would love to see the results of whatever tests you decide to run with your FP5V and Hades Canyon boards if you end up doing some!

Funny enough, my eval boards just came in today. For those interested, here’s what the 1807 looks like w the default cooling attached. Once I get some calipers I might swap it for something lower profile (I have some of these 21mm units lying around):



Actually busy rerolling BSPs for older hardware atm so may be a few days before I get around to poking at this properly (also, I am using the Hades Canyon machine right now as a data collection server, but will be moving that onto a different system soon so should be able to do a shootout although they're not really in the same class, hardware-wise. The main competition will actually be vs 8250U NUCs that I have coming in - they obviously have lower GPU performance but are smaller and cheaper and may make more sense than even the lower-end 1605/1202 boards). My testing is focused on a specific embedded application, but if there's anything anyone wants me to run against an 18.04 LTS system within reason I'll be happy to post results.
 

chx

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4x DP. Not sure about DP-HDMI adapter compatibility.

I am. The spec sheet has: Four DP++ Display Outputs

That's HDMI compatibility, right there.

Hot damn, four DisplayPorts! This thing is essentially "buy a Quadro P1000, get a free computer" :D

Of course, I wish they had slanted SO DIMM modules and a thinner CPU cooler...
 

Windfall

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Contacted Shappire Support thru Athlon Micro and got a brochure and user manual:


I also got some questions answered:

No aftermarket coolers fit.

The board can accept power from an HDPLEX 80W, 19v

One sata drive is supported.

boards come with an io shield


That's it for now, but I'm gonna try to get the official mounting pattern/io cutouts out of the support guy as well as cooler info.

EDIT: managed to get a 3d pdf off of this guy, but its so detailed my computer cant even orbit it.... I'll work on a solution to get it to you guys.
 
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parneshr

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This is perfect for a home all in one that can fit into a 1U systems with 2-4 HDD bays at 300-450mm depth. If only more than 1 SATA port existed.