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Had a good look round and decided to register.
I enjoy building ITX and have done a few, Intel and AMD, aim for cases not much bigger than the motherboard and dislike cubes. I use cases that are not mainstream such as E-mini, Iwill, and Evo-Labs.
Not a gamer, so always Intel Graphics or APUs, fine for what I need.
I do a modest amount of small mods, nothing radical and mostly for efficiency.
I will try to do some build sheets and maybe some pics later.
 

LocoMoto

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Welcome to the forums!
You have one more person that dislikes cubes right here!

Going to be cool to see what you can share with us later. :)
 

stree

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Well nothing that exciting! All pretty plain spec really, but if I wanted top performance I would probably go ATX...but I have no need so a pointless exercise seeing as no gaming VR, encoding, and such.
I do have a little build to start Tuesday for a gift, just a browse, email, netflix, ebay youtube type box with occasional document.
This will be in an e-mini case, about 7.5"x8.5" x 2.5" high. Black steel case.
MB is an MSI MS1
Athlon 5150 , stock cooler or Gelid Slim Silence if a better fit in case,
2x2GB AMD performance ram @1333
Integral V series 128GB SSD I usually stick to Samsung for my builds, but this was on offer @ £25 so perfect.
Wireless card for the mini-pcie slot.
The case has a 120W PSU board so just power brick to find.
Recipient already has KB and mouse and screen so just some cables to supply.
Plus Win 10 Pro.

So a modest build, but will be rock solid, cool, quiet and not take much room up, ticks all the boxes for what is required.
More on my own boxes later.
 

Phuncz

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Welcome to the forum !

Well nothing that exciting! All pretty plain spec really, but if I wanted top performance I would probably go ATX...but I have no need so a pointless exercise seeing as no gaming VR, encoding, and such.
With all components being equal (CPU, RAM, PSU, storage, cooling) there is no reason why mITX would be slower than any ATX board and reviews have shown this to be true: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10206/the-asus-maximus-viii-extreme-review/7
Look at the Impact VIII being within the margin of error every single time with a board that's double the price.
 

stree

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Phuncz, I accept your argument to a degree, yes ITX boards are rapidly gaining ground on ATX accepted spec, lower TDP and generally greater efficiency of CPUs and cutting edge chipsets are shrinking gaps in performance exponentially. Plus DDR4, SSD, Pcie storage, etc etc.
But: size is still a limiting factor, Your signature build for example shows an Ncase M1, an extraordinarily efficient case with a volume of 12.6 Litres. This is thus a best case scenario for optimising ITX performance, but this is not a common, nor a cheap case.
Most cases on the market are factory manufactured with the final design nod given to the engineers accountants. Not always, but probably often enough.
So the more ordinary case is less costly, but also less efficient and in terms of the case type I want to and do use, considerably smaller volume.
That equates to less efficiency, which in turn will run hotter, and heat is a great limiter for an ITX build. In ATX, big case, sling a watercooler or 2 in, another bank of case fans, solution that are just not feasible for a sub volume ITX, Another limiting factor here is intrinsic to the most common reasons for having ITX, They are HTPC, Media boxes, and silent running is important...Passive cooling is the ideal, anything else is just different degrees of compromise
So, I agree, an ITX build can be up there with the best in terms of performance, but that is still extraordinary rather than ordinary,, although the distinction is admittedly shrinking fast.
There will always be different directions in the use of PCs, ATX or ITX or any format, people use them for different things so will have different build targets, and just as important and I think more generally defining, varying available budgets to achieve what they can.
PS You do have an excellent build spec there!
 

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It is always a matter of:
  • what is your budget
  • what will you do with it
Once you've answered those two question you can get your hardware.

Going for a cheaper chassis for the sole reason of getting a cheap one .... and then adding a watercooling because it has poor air cooling kinda defeat the point of not going for a smaller, deerer chassis that wouldn't require 1 or 2 WC loops.
 

Ceros_X

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Which E-mini cases have you used and what are your thoughrds on them?

Also not a fan of cube cases.
 

stree

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I tend to develop a build by what I want from it, the CPU MB combo that will best provide it, the ram that will best compliment it and the coolest quietest running components to complete it, PSU, SSD-HDD , CPU cooler, secondary fans etc etc, the last batch go more to defining case size and features than the former components, but the case in itself I regard as a component too for its qualities other than just a container.
Also, a case can be cheap as in cost effective, and good because of materials and design, cost does not always define the level of function or quality.............I was tempted at one time to consider a cube ITX case and read many many reviews of most, some seemed so eager to get to market they confused quality with novelty and integrity of structure and purpose with cosmetics, some not so cheap cases were poor examples of what a case should be.
A further factor for me, and for many, is budget...........It is easy to solve issues with a limitless pot of funds, but takes any fun out of the challenge of just getting it right because you thought it through.
 
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stree

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S197-80 is one, and very similar E-w80, black and silver respectively.
I have pics but cannot see a straightforward way of getting them here.
Other cases are E-mini EC3 E-mini series 2011
Another case I use is a very small mini tower, and Evo-Labs EA2.a very cheap case of surprising quality.
Generally impressed with E-mini cases, no real disappointments yet, solid alloy build with decent electronics, good fit and very good finish.
 

Ceros_X

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S197-80 is one, and very similar E-w80, black and silver respectively.
I have pics but cannot see a straightforward way of getting them here.
Other cases are E-mini EC3 E-mini series 2011
Another case I use is a very small mini tower, and Evo-Labs EA2.a very cheap case of surprising quality.
Generally impressed with E-mini cases, no real disappointments yet, solid alloy build with decent electronics, good fit and very good finish.

Nice! I've looked at the E-2011 a few times - though about building in a Realan Case for a while before going custom. Are you in Asia? Shipping to the US usually makes these cheap cases about average price for me in the US.
 

stree

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Lincolnshire, England.
Such cases are not really mainstream here, but enough specialist importers to make them available if you look hard enough, and probably about the same price structure here, but value wise I think they are excellent.
 

stree

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They all seem to have optical load slots, something I try to avoid. Not seen the brand available in UK either.
 

stree

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next box is more of the same really just a bit more capable.

ASRock AM1H-ITX
Athlon 5350
Gelid slim cooler
1x8GB Hyperx 1600
Samsung 250 EVO boot
Toshiba 1TB 2.5" HDD
E-Mini H197-80 with Pico 120W
Very good media box

Then

ASRock H197M-ITX-ac
3258
Alpenfohn Silvretta cooler
Samsung EVO 250GB boot
Toshiba 1TB 2.5" HDD
1x8GB HyperX Savage 1600
E-Mini-E-W80X with Pico 160W

Also
ASRock FM2A88X-ITX+
A8-7600
Scythe Kodati cooler
Samsung 840 Pro 128GB boot
Toshiba 1TB 2.5" HDD
2x4GB Crucial Ballistics 1866
Evo-Labs E-A2 case with Seasonics SFX 300 watt

All running Win7 Pro 64 bit
All running graphics via APU-CPU
None with optical drive.


I suppose I could sell them all and just buy one higher spec unit, but I just like building and fiddling......
 
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stree

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Not a gamer, so no. Maybe someone else has had the same idea............Considering hardware of 8 and 16 bit era would have thought this would cope fine
 
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Been tempting by an AM1 system for emulation (MAME, PSx, PS2, 8-bits and 16-bits era). Did you try this time of usage ?
It is possible since the processors for the AM1 platform are late Core 2 Duo level in IPC. I personally have emulated the Nintendo 64 on a Core 2 Duo SL9400 running at 1.86 GHz (Arch Linux + Mupen64Plus).