Production NCASE M1EVO
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Yeah. I don't have an M1 because I discovered it after it was discontinuted, but if I were to do a build in the EVO, I would want 2x240mm radiator support.
Also, will the top plate have a cool looking pattern rather than just circular holes?
Something like the Phanteks Evolv Shift Xt side panel pattern.
Edit: Completely missed ScottSimply's response. So ignore the first part.
May I ask RTX 4080 and 4090 compatibility list in the reference placement? Please provide it or at least sizes before people will make orders2022-08-28: M1EVO is 40XX friendly.
Most people would agree that 40XX GPUs are big, so we made the necessary changes. As a result, M1EVO should support all of the 4090 GPUs and most 40XX GPUs without a PCIe Riser.
A list of updates:
1. M1EVO production unit has arrived
2. We are still waiting for a few 4090 AIB GPUs to arrive
3. We will test the fit and thermal of the bigger 4090 AIB GPUs
4. We will send the production unit for review
5. Then start IC or preorder on ncases.com
They're working on getting a proper spec list sorted, but we know the case is the same width as the original M1 (160mm) and the NCase M1 can fit GPUs 140mm wide. We also know it can fit the 4090 FE with a proper 12vhpwr cable (i.e. not Nvidia's adapter), which we know doesn't work in the M1, so it'll be slightly more than the original M1. Other than that we gotta wait for the spec list.
No need to worry about 4080 if no one is buying them
A few questions about this new version:
Will there be an option for right-side-up orientation with a more normal top panel? This edge-to-edge big hole design is good for cooling 400W GPUs, but aesthetically it looks bad imo, and lets you easily see everything inside the case, which in the default orientation will be an ugly GPU shroud.
If there won't be an option for right side up, will you offer a dust filter for the top? Big holes + GPU on top means lots of dust going inside.
Will the side panel now really just be a big mesh? Will there be an option for a normal side panel? (vented, not a window). I like to use ultrafine filters, adding them to the mesh would restrict airflow too much. And aesthetically it looks worse imo, and is also bad for transportation.
Suggestion - I think the front I/O would look better with the two Type-A ports on one side and the two Type-C ports on the other side. And I definitely think there should be a 3.5mm headphone/mic jack, lots of people still use those. Just get rid of one of the USB ports, 4 is overkill imo.
Do we know the dimensions of the case? I'm a little confused because from the pictures it looks like the only dimension where it's larger than the M1 is the length. And yet it fits a mATX board and a rear-mounted ATX PSU, how is that possible?
Will the case be aluminum? Not just the panels but the frame as well?
It's so much longer than the M1, is it really worth increasing the length this much to accommodate the 1-2% of people who will want to buy a GPU that's longer than would fit in the M1 V6?
Finally, I'm not sure about the name. Doesn't Evo usually mean a budget option? It stands for evolution, but it's usually used to mean lower-end model from what I've seen e.g. Samsung EVO series of SSDs and the LG EVO line of OLED TVs. This case is very different from the M1, so I would call it something different. Honestly, no offense, but I think if you just restarted the M1 V6 it would sell better than this case. Otherwise, I see the C4-SFX partially filling the niche that the M1 occupied, more so than this M1 EVO. The latter compromises too much for the sake of effectively cooling $1200+ 350W+ GPUs that almost no SFF enthusiast will buy, in my opinion. Even with the 40 series, cards under $1200 will use no more power than a 1080 Ti.
The M1 was already great at cooling power hungry GPUs, even 320W was no problem. It had this killer feature where you could deshroud a GPU and then use your bottom 120mm fans (possibly with 10-15mm ducts that can be found online) to directly cool your GPU heatsink. That was an elegant and effective solution that also solved GPU sag, lowered noise, and managed dust discreetly. Here that's not an option, and it doesn't seem like you can even mount fans to the top unless you screw them directly to the top panel vents.
Sorry, I rewrote this post 3 times to make it less ranty and still failed. I am just upset at the state of SFF these days. I am holding onto my M1 V5.1 for dear life, I consider it to be the best-designed case ever and the peak of M1 development. I already had issues with the V6, this iteration takes the design even further into mesh box territory, the next version will probably not even have panels.
Will there be an option for right-side-up orientation with a more normal top panel? This edge-to-edge big hole design is good for cooling 400W GPUs, but aesthetically it looks bad imo, and lets you easily see everything inside the case, which in the default orientation will be an ugly GPU shroud.
If there won't be an option for right side up, will you offer a dust filter for the top? Big holes + GPU on top means lots of dust going inside.
Will the side panel now really just be a big mesh? Will there be an option for a normal side panel? (vented, not a window). I like to use ultrafine filters, adding them to the mesh would restrict airflow too much. And aesthetically it looks worse imo, and is also bad for transportation.
Suggestion - I think the front I/O would look better with the two Type-A ports on one side and the two Type-C ports on the other side. And I definitely think there should be a 3.5mm headphone/mic jack, lots of people still use those. Just get rid of one of the USB ports, 4 is overkill imo.
Do we know the dimensions of the case? I'm a little confused because from the pictures it looks like the only dimension where it's larger than the M1 is the length. And yet it fits a mATX board and a rear-mounted ATX PSU, how is that possible?
Will the case be aluminum? Not just the panels but the frame as well?
It's so much longer than the M1, is it really worth increasing the length this much to accommodate the 1-2% of people who will want to buy a GPU that's longer than would fit in the M1 V6?
Finally, I'm not sure about the name. Doesn't Evo usually mean a budget option? It stands for evolution, but it's usually used to mean lower-end model from what I've seen e.g. Samsung EVO series of SSDs and the LG EVO line of OLED TVs. This case is very different from the M1, so I would call it something different. Honestly, no offense, but I think if you just restarted the M1 V6 it would sell better than this case. Otherwise, I see the C4-SFX partially filling the niche that the M1 occupied, more so than this M1 EVO. The latter compromises too much for the sake of effectively cooling $1200+ 350W+ GPUs that almost no SFF enthusiast will buy, in my opinion. Even with the 40 series, cards under $1200 will use no more power than a 1080 Ti.
The M1 was already great at cooling power hungry GPUs, even 320W was no problem. It had this killer feature where you could deshroud a GPU and then use your bottom 120mm fans (possibly with 10-15mm ducts that can be found online) to directly cool your GPU heatsink. That was an elegant and effective solution that also solved GPU sag, lowered noise, and managed dust discreetly. Here that's not an option, and it doesn't seem like you can even mount fans to the top unless you screw them directly to the top panel vents.
Sorry, I rewrote this post 3 times to make it less ranty and still failed. I am just upset at the state of SFF these days. I am holding onto my M1 V5.1 for dear life, I consider it to be the best-designed case ever and the peak of M1 development. I already had issues with the V6, this iteration takes the design even further into mesh box territory, the next version will probably not even have panels.
GPU makers keep making the cards bigger and bigger so for a case that's aiming to have high cooling performance, you have to increase the size and the ventilation has to be adequate. The top end ones are all getting this massive 4-slot design which just won't fit without adding depth. I don't think your case should require desrhouding to work. Should just be optional.
When the M1 first came out, IIRC the top cards like a 980Ti would use a lot less power and were just more compact. If the M1 v5 suits your needs, why make the upgrade anyway?
When the M1 first came out, IIRC the top cards like a 980Ti would use a lot less power and were just more compact. If the M1 v5 suits your needs, why make the upgrade anyway?
Sorry that I'm ignoring most of your points here, but the case will be mostly CNC aluminium.
It is using the same manufacturing partners as the FormD T1 V2, so you can expect some good quality there. On the SFF Gurus Discord W360 answered what is what:
"The Side Mesh Panels, Motherboard Tray, Fan & PSU Brackets, are steel, others Aluminum.".
We don't know the exact dimensions yet.
In terms of what SFF enthusiasts buy, when you look on the SFF Gurus Discord, and r/sffpc (and their Discord), you see a lot of builds with new and modern parts. It's a result of SFF being such a niche. The vast majority of people into SFF are also tech enthusiasts, tech enthusiasts are more likely to spend money on new and fancy parts, especially the ones that are looking to buy boutique SFF cases. Now of course these places suffer from a severe sample selection bias, but generally the trend for PC parts is bigger and more power hungry, it is hard to ignore unfortunately, and they do need their products to remain competitive in the current market.
2022-11-27: Testing configs before we finalize the spec.
We know someone will try this (*dual 280 HWL 280GTS on 3-Slot MSI Suprim X GPU), so we wanted to test it first.
Is it possible to do 2x280 with standard 25mm fans, or are we restricted to thin (10-15mm) ones? With the collapse of the W1 project this is on my radar as the 'next' SFF case I could cram 2x280 into.2022-11-27: Testing configs before we finalize the spec.
We know someone will try this (*dual 280 HWL 280GTS on 3-Slot MSI Suprim X GPU), so we wanted to test it first.
From what I've heard Winter One Batch 2 is not being shipped, with (partial?) refunds only for people that ordered via the website, not those that ordered via Kickstarter. Not enough money to make it happen, and some has already been spent so they can't refund everyone.
Should probably move that discussion over to the Winter One thread though:
Stalled - Winter One -- 15.6L SFF case, 3090 Support, 3-slot GPUs, dual 280mm radiators, CFD Optimized Design
Thank you for going through with delivering the case at all! Will the shortcomings of the first batch still be addressed? Does the change of manufacturers bring new challenges to quality control? Yes, and Yes, hence the added risk. We'll have a better idea of how it turns out once we get our...
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The latest post there is:
Wow. That is pretty bad.From what I've heard Winter One Batch 2 is not being shipped, with (partial?) refunds only for people that ordered via the website, not those that ordered via Kickstarter. Not enough money to make it happen, and some has already been spent so they can't refund everyone.
Should probably move that discussion over to the Winter One thread though:
Stalled - Winter One -- 15.6L SFF case, 3090 Support, 3-slot GPUs, dual 280mm radiators, CFD Optimized Design
Thank you for going through with delivering the case at all! Will the shortcomings of the first batch still be addressed? Does the change of manufacturers bring new challenges to quality control? Yes, and Yes, hence the added risk. We'll have a better idea of how it turns out once we get our...
The latest post there is:
Well lets keep this thread on the EVO.
For vertical mount a riser will be needed, not for the traditional GPU mount though. Guessing it'll be an accessory for those that want to vertical mount.
Filled out the interest check (black, round). I'll be in pending the feasibility of dual 280mm rads with 25mm fans.
I have been running dual 240 rads in an M1 for about 5 years, starting with v5 and now in a v6.1. Just wish it had more effective rad space. It's basically just a semi-choked 240x30mm rad, aided by a mostly-choked 240x20mm rad with 15mm fans.
I ordered a Winter One to get dual 280mm rads with healthy airflow. That's around double the cooling capability of my M1, or it would be if the case existed
Hoping the M1 Evo has a very nice custom loop options.
I have been running dual 240 rads in an M1 for about 5 years, starting with v5 and now in a v6.1. Just wish it had more effective rad space. It's basically just a semi-choked 240x30mm rad, aided by a mostly-choked 240x20mm rad with 15mm fans.
I ordered a Winter One to get dual 280mm rads with healthy airflow. That's around double the cooling capability of my M1, or it would be if the case existed
Hoping the M1 Evo has a very nice custom loop options.My two cents on regarding the design.
. The original "diagonal/angled" pattern was much more pleasant on the eye.
Will there be an option with side or top placed IO panel, like in the teasers?
Please! Please, change the perforated pattern of the top panel. This "grid/straight" pattern for the holes is god awful2022-10-23: Testing an air-cooled build with 30XX GPU + 4090FE.
We have not received the 4090 GPUs yet, so test-fitting Thermalright SS135 on Noctua A12x25R + MSI 3070 Suprim X + ATX PSU. FWIW, Micro-ATX motherboards will fit, and there is space for 25mm thick fans between the Top Panel and GPU.[/URL]
4090 FE *could fit via direct contact with minor tweaks to the design and a custom 12P GPU cable. But, of course, this will also depend on the back of the motherboard.
. The original "diagonal/angled" pattern was much more pleasant on the eye.Ok, so apparently DanCase C4 is nearing release as Dan has finalized his case and will soon send it to production.
I am mentioning this because of C4 SFX's volume increase to 14.7 liters, which I believe will make it very similar to M1 Evo. This would mean that the M1 Evo, which will come later to the market than the C4 SFX, will need some very clear differentiating factors to set itself apart.
So far, M1 Evo's extra features are mATX boards and ATX PSU's compatibility and mesh panels. Will they be enough to make itself a unique product though?
I do not know whether mesh panels are better than those with holes, so mATX boards are the biggest bonus I think. But if mATX is used, then the PSU (whether sfx or atx) would need some breathing room since, as it is positioned now, it would take air from inside the case, which will be hot because side fans are no longer an option and the front panel is unvented. A mesh front panel should solve the issue I reckon, thus making it truly a complete case, in addition to also giving it a more distinctive look.
What do you guys think?
I am mentioning this because of C4 SFX's volume increase to 14.7 liters, which I believe will make it very similar to M1 Evo. This would mean that the M1 Evo, which will come later to the market than the C4 SFX, will need some very clear differentiating factors to set itself apart.
So far, M1 Evo's extra features are mATX boards and ATX PSU's compatibility and mesh panels. Will they be enough to make itself a unique product though?
I do not know whether mesh panels are better than those with holes, so mATX boards are the biggest bonus I think. But if mATX is used, then the PSU (whether sfx or atx) would need some breathing room since, as it is positioned now, it would take air from inside the case, which will be hot because side fans are no longer an option and the front panel is unvented. A mesh front panel should solve the issue I reckon, thus making it truly a complete case, in addition to also giving it a more distinctive look.
What do you guys think?
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