Production FormD T1 Classic (V1.0 and V1.1) READ FIRST POST

[fabio]

Wow, get out of my head @fabio! Air cooled build was going to be my next project lol

Edit: is that a gen4 riser?

Yes, I mean, is the 25cm 3M that is supposed to support PCIe Gen4!

 

[Brude27]

How this case for straight air cooling ?

I have a few build logs in here before going hybrid cooling, but here's the big testing results post I made for the best CPU coolers in this case.

CPU Air Cooling Temperature Comparisons - Alpenfohn Black Ridge v2 vs Noctua L12S

Components:

• CPU
  • Intel i5 9600K
  • 4.6Ghz All Core Overclock at 1.175v
  • AVX offset - 2
  • LLC - 1
  • Long duration power limit - 95w
  • Short duration power limit - 135w
• GPU
  • EVGA RTX 2070 XC Gaming
  • +110 boost clock
  • +850 memory clock

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• Alpenfohn Black Ridge v2 w/ two fans
  • 92mm Fan: Noctua NF-A9
  • 120mm Fan: Noctua NF-A12x15

Idle Temps - 32-36 C

• RealBench 15min Stress Test:
  • CPU Max temperature - 74 C
  • GPU Max temperature - 61 C

• Cinebench R20 5 Pass Loop (2:05 per loop):
  • CPU Max temperature - 71 C
  • GPU Max temperature - 33 C

• 1 hour+ Hunt Showdown Gaming:
  • CPU Max temperature - 71 C
  • GPU Max temperature - 76 C

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• Noctua L12S
  • 120mm Fan: Noctua NF-A12x15

Idle Temps - 28-31 C

• RealBench 15min Stress Test:
  • CPU Max temperature - 68 C
  • GPU Max temperature - 56 C

• Cinebench R20 5 Pass Loop (2:05 per loop):
  • CPU Max temperature - 66 C
  • GPU Max temperature - 29 C

• 1 hour+ Hunt Showdown Gaming:
  • CPU Max temperature - 64 C
  • GPU Max temperature - 73 C

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Conclusion:

I'm impressed with how well BRv2 holds up against the larger Noctua L12S in my temperature comparison, but there is a major difference that I unfortunately don't have the proper tools to measure, and that's noise levels. Using only my ears, I can say the L12S is noticeably quieter than BRv2, and I can only assume that has all to do with how close the fan is to the mesh perforations with BRv2. I didn't pay close enough attention to the fan RPMs when BRv2 was installed, but my CPU fan didn't break 1050 RPM on the L12S during the Cinebench R20 run, which blows my mind. For anyone with Noctua fans in their systems, you know that's practically silent.

Another major pro for the L12S is the installation process. Noctua has made that a very easy and satisfying experience, whereas installing the BRv2 is the opposite of that. Beginners need to take a lot of care when installing BRv2, as there are no preventative measures in place to prevent tightening the mounting screws to the point of snapping your motherboard in half.

I know my CPU OC can't be described as anything other than mild, and the 9600K isn't that hot of a chip to begin with, but hopefully these results help future builders in the FormD T1. Thanks for reading, and I look forward to seeing more T1 builds!

Basically, this case is great for air cooling as well as water cooling.

 

[rfarmer]

When I see both @fabio and @DrHudacris planning air cooled T1 builds I start checking the sky for flying pigs. Looking forward to your completed builds as there have been a decidedly small number of air cooled builds.

 

[TSOF]

Yes, I mean, is the 25cm 3M that is supposed to support PCIe Gen4!

Have you been able to test to confirm that without a PCIE 4 component?

 

[DmanX]

Air cooled CPU, offset PSU, RTX 3080... what's not to like? That's how I'm going.

 

[fabio]

Have you been able to test to confirm that without a PCIE 4 component?

Not yet! I don't have anything PCIe 4gen!

 

[thelaughingman]

Yes, I mean, is the 25cm 3M that is supposed to support PCIe Gen4!

it's the same riser that comes with the Dan A4 v4.1 right? then I have it in my build - X570I Strix with RX 5700 XT

Have you been able to test to confirm that without a PCIE 4 component?

Not yet! I don't have anything PCIe 4gen!

confirmed Gen 4 in Bios

 

[TSOF]

What does that mean?

I can set my bios to run at 4.0 on my 2070 super, it obviously doesn’t provide that though....!?

 

[DrHudacris]

Mega fan comparison with TX radiator (the unicorn radiator), plus 1 test with Leviathan SF. Note: Coolant 60C is considered a fail. All tests are side panels on unless otherwise stated.

imgur link

Reddit link with chart

-Things to take note, push-pull on PSU side definitely gains some cooling headroom. Even with 2x A12x25, a kaze flex slim dropped the Delta coolant temp 2.5C.
-A12x25 are truly amazing, beating even the Arctic P12 (also ~150 more RPM) @thelaughingman
-I did not sand the noctuas lol; I just tightly held the mesh panels together and put the top panel on top of the panels to simulate

Edit: fixed imgur link, hopefully

 

[ciaran clare]

Mega fan comparison with TX radiator (the unicorn radiator), plus 1 test with Leviathan SF. Note: Coolant 60C is considered a fail. All tests are side panels on unless otherwise stated.


-Things to take note, push-pull on PSU side definitely gains some cooling headroom. Even with 2x A12x25, a kaze flex slim dropped the Delta coolant temp 2.5C.
-A12x25 are truly amazing, beating even the Arctic P12 (also ~150 more RPM) @thelaughingman
-I did not sand the noctuas lol; I just tightly held the mesh panels together and put the top panel on top of the panels to simulate

I haven't been keeping up with your adventures recently. Are you currently using the TX 240 with two A12x25s? What exactly is your loop right now? im assuming the one radiator and 3 fans?

 

[fabio]

it's the same riser that comes with the Dan A4 v4.1 right? then I have it in my build - X570I Strix with RX 5700 XT



confirmed Gen 4 in Bios

I can set up the same in the BIOS! But I don’t have anything to test the difference from PCIE 3!

 

[DmanX]

Mega fan comparison with TX radiator (the unicorn radiator), plus 1 test with Leviathan SF. Note: Coolant 60C is considered a fail. All tests are side panels on unless otherwise stated.


-Things to take note, push-pull on PSU side definitely gains some cooling headroom. Even with 2x A12x25, a kaze flex slim dropped the Delta coolant temp 2.5C.
-A12x25 are truly amazing, beating even the Arctic P12 (also ~150 more RPM) @thelaughingman
-I did not sand the noctuas lol; I just tightly held the mesh panels together and put the top panel on top of the panels to simulate

Pics aren't showing when clicked. Never mind.

 

[DrHudacris]

Pics aren't showing when clicked.

Hopefully fixed now.

I haven't been keeping up with your adventures recently. Are you currently using the TX 240 with two A12x25s? What exactly is your loop right now? im assuming the one radiator and 3 fans?

Currently open frame with A12x25 x2 and Kaze flex slim x1. But I ordered a white FormD T1 when it was last available, so I'll wait for that for a new build (air cooled?).

I think I have to sell my 1080 tis before they lose too much value... ?

 

[ciaran clare]

Hopefully fixed now.


Currently open frame with A12x25 x2 and Kaze flex slim x1. But I ordered a white FormD T1 when it was last available, so I'll wait for that for a new build (air cooled?).

I think I have to sell my 1080 tis before they lose too much value... ?

Open frame, that makes sence... i was wondering how you fit the tx240 and 2 25 mm fans?

 

[DrHudacris]

Open frame, that makes sence... i was wondering how you fit the tx240 and 2 25 mm fans?

I can close the case completely with Kaze flex standard thickness and with arctic P12, because I've sanded/filed down the frames of the fans to fit. But I can't do that to the Noctuas! They're too nice and the plastic is different, much denser and less flexible.

 

[thelaughingman]

Mega fan comparison with TX radiator (the unicorn radiator), plus 1 test with Leviathan SF. Note: Coolant 60C is considered a fail. All tests are side panels on unless otherwise stated.

imgur link

Reddit link with chart

-Things to take note, push-pull on PSU side definitely gains some cooling headroom. Even with 2x A12x25, a kaze flex slim dropped the Delta coolant temp 2.5C.
-A12x25 are truly amazing, beating even the Arctic P12 (also ~150 more RPM) @thelaughingman
-I did not sand the noctuas lol; I just tightly held the mesh panels together and put the top panel on top of the panels to simulate

Edit: fixed imgur link, hopefully

yeah, A12x25 is pretty much TOTL now unless you go full deaf and use IPPC 3000 ? makes me want to sand them down even more haha, 3x A12x25 on TX240 incoming, sometimes in the near future, ish ? btw you don't have A12x15? I suspect the might just make it under 60C coolant temp. and the push-pull fan will be dependant on the cable clutter around the PSU, evident as when I tested default vs flipped PSU with stock Corsair cables. can't wait for my M2426 to come!

I can set up the same in the BIOS! But I don’t have anything to test the difference from PCIE 3!

nothing to test really, just pretty to see link speed of 16GT/s in HWiNFO64

 

[DrHudacris]

yeah, A12x25 is pretty much TOTL now unless you go full deaf and use IPPC 3000 ? makes me want to sand them down even more haha, 3x A12x25 on TX240 incoming, sometimes in the near future, ish ? btw you don't have A12x15? I suspect the might just make it under 60C coolant temp. and the push-pull fan will be dependant on the cable clutter around the PSU, evident as when I tested default vs flipped PSU with stock Corsair cables. can't wait for my M2426 to come!


nothing to test really, just pretty to see link speed of 16GT/s in HWiNFO64

Oh I actually do have A12x15s, I forgot to test haha. I'll do that tomorrow with closed panels and see how they do.

 

[Flipping_A_pebble]

Hey do you guys think that the Evga XC3 models will fit in dual slot mode? If so, is there a chance the mesh side panels will cause turbulence with the GPU fans pressed up so close?

Photos of XC3 and FTW cards

 

[fabio]

Hey do you guys think that the Evga XC3 models will fit in dual slot mode? If so, is there a chance the mesh side panels will cause turbulence with the GPU fans pressed up so close?

Photos of XC3 and FTW cards

If you go on the DAN A4 thread, Dan did a list of compatible 3080 GPU in his case (2 slots). So the same can be applied to the T1 in 2 slots mode (just for thickness).

DAN A4 3080 Compatibility List

Only the XC3 will fit, seems.

 

[tokes808]

So the EVGA XC3 2.2 slot will fit in the Ghost also ? Or does the Dan have more clearance ?