DAN C4-SFX

chinyang

Chassis Packer
Oct 17, 2018
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Looking at the size of current RTX cards, assuming will be watercooling the cpu with 120mm AIO, is there a possibility to increase compatibility of GPU to 3 slot cards without increasing the footprint of the case?
 

Wahaha360

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Feb 23, 2015
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For all you guys waiting, we are working to make the product better.

Aside from manufacturing optimization, dondan and I have been in discussion about this low profile (<48mm) DDC Pump Res combo that will work for the M1, A4, C4 and Mach One.

Why you might ask, full custom loop for the C4 of course.

Here are some pictures of prototype 1.




We have more ideas than time to execute, so we ask you guys to be patient, the product will only get better with iterations on our end - and it has to be, or else why waste everyone's time.
 
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rfarmer

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Jul 7, 2017
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Looks like you are using 92mm fan mounting holes, that would work great with the M1.

You said pump/res, I see now that it is also a CPU block. Now that is very cool.
 
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FAQBytes

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Feb 22, 2017
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@Wahaha360 what's your estimated price for the whole thing? Last thing I saw similar was around the $200 USD mark, and that was a wee bit rich for my blood. Closer to $100-125 (less is always better until quality is compromised) is around my price +/-however I'm feeling that day.
 

Wahaha360

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Feb 23, 2015
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Awesome! Is this still in partnership with alphacool?
Not at the moment, but we are open to Alphacool and EK.

Since we are considering adding CNC parts to the C4 (structural improvement and dimensional efficiencies), we might as well CNC the POM Acetal / Acrylic top for this block. The Copper Plate matches the EK Supremacy EVO or Velocity base plate.

I would prefer to time the C4 launch with this pump / res.

I'm convinced that AMD / Intel / Nvidia will sacrifice power efficiency for performance in the next year or two, so things are going to run hot. To cool 2080/2080TI + 2700X/9900K is going to take more than punching vent holes.
 
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FAQBytes

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Feb 22, 2017
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I'm convinced that AMD / Intel / Nvidia will sacrifice power efficiency for performance in the next year or two, so things are going to run hot. To cool 2080/2080TI + 2700X/9900K is going to take more than punching vent holes.
Steve Burke at Gamer's Nexus just released a video on just this, but to a far lesser extent, but I fully believe that as well.
 

ToutNoir

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Mar 2, 2018
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For all you guys waiting, we are working to make the product better.

Aside from manufacturing optimization, dondan and I have been in discussion about this low profile (<48mm) DDC Pump Res combo that will work for the M1, A4, C4 and Mach One.

Why you might ask, full custom loop for the C4 of course.

Here are some pictures of prototype 1.




We have more ideas than time to execute, so we ask you guys to be patient, the product will only get better with iterations on our end - and it has to be, or else why waste everyone's time.
I'm glad to see you guys are working together on the possibility of a full custom water loop for this case.
As you wrote the heat to extract will be challenging and I wonder how many radiators do you plan on fitting inside the case and how (I think that 2x 240 should be necessary with the latest GPU and CPU).
 
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Kelly

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May 2, 2018
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That was kinda unexpected, too bad I already bought a Fractal Kelvin S24

For all you guys waiting, we are working to make the product better.

Aside from manufacturing optimization, dondan and I have been in discussion about this low profile (<48mm) DDC Pump Res combo that will work for the M1, A4, C4 and Mach One.

Why you might ask, full custom loop for the C4 of course.

Here are some pictures of prototype 1.




We have more ideas than time to execute, so we ask you guys to be patient, the product will only get better with iterations on our end - and it has to be, or else why waste everyone's time.
 

NIIV3X

Cable Smoosher
Jun 15, 2018
11
7
Here are the concept rendering:





Regarding your current state of design I really appreciate you overthinking the way of how the side panels should be held in place! The latest concept of sliding-in-panels looks astonishing in the render (favourite is the second from above) and I believe a combination of your earlier case's simple yet elegant front panel as well as the cool feet design together with the new side panels would make a marvelous C4!
Like moving the Power Button etc. from the Front Panel to the place on top as you did in one of your previous designs too!
 

fabio

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Apr 6, 2016
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Not at the moment, but we are open to Alphacool and EK.

Since we are considering adding CNC parts to the C4 (structural improvement and dimensional efficiencies), we might as well CNC the POM Acetal / Acrylic top for this block. The Copper Plate matches the EK Supremacy EVO or Velocity base plate.

I would prefer to time the C4 launch with this pump / res.

I'm convinced that AMD / Intel / Nvidia will sacrifice power efficiency for performance in the next year or two, so things are going to run hot. To cool 2080/2080TI + 2700X/9900K is going to take more than punching vent holes.
THANK YOU!!
 

dondan

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Feb 23, 2015
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Hi guys,


I like to share with you my newest idea on how it is possible to improve the internal design of the C4-SFX. This design will be between 11 & 11,3L and will allow for using up to 480mm radiator surface inside the C4. (Keep in mind it is just an idea):



How it works:

The layout will be work around positive or negative pressure. There will be three vent openings for this design – top side, bottom side and front side. Every vent area has a surface of 120x240mm there will be no venting holes on the side panels.

There is one rule for building inside the case: ALL fans (including the GPU) have to blow in the same direction.

On this picture you see positive pressure. The two front fans pushing fresh air inside the case and it will move out through the radiators on top and bottom. On a use case with a radial fan GPU (GTX Founders) negative pressure would be better and for a axial fan GPU (RTX Founders) positive pressure. ( I know I did it wrong on the renderings)

If you like to use only one radiator you can also put fans on the mount points for the second radiator or install one or two of the included bracket (don’t visible on the rendering) to covering the not needed vent areas. Every bracket is able to cover a 120x120mm surface. Furthermore each bracket will also work as an drive bay and can hold two 2.5” drives.

A little example: You like to use only one 240mm radiator. You install it in the bottom of the case. Now is it up to you: You can install the fans at the front or topside. You decide for the front. Now you have unused space at the topside. You install a third 120mm fan at the topside and one vent holes cover to have more space for two HDD drives.

This design is very unique because it will allow up to 480mm radiator surface in ~11L volume. In a direct comparison a radiator will cool better if the fan is directly attached on it, but also this design will work very well.

For designing the front intake I have different ideas:

Between front panel and fan there will be 15mm free space to not have air turbulences and to provide space for dust filters. So now we have two options: 1) adding vent holes to the front panel itself or adding vent slots on the left and right side of the 15mm free space zone (I will visualize it).


What do you think about this design?
 

Nanook

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May 23, 2016
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Hi guys,


I like to share with you my newest idea on how it is possible to improve the internal design of the C4-SFX. This design will be between 11 & 11,3L and will allow for using up to 480mm radiator surface inside the C4. (Keep in mind it is just an idea):



How it works:

The layout will be work around positive or negative pressure. There will be three vent openings for this design – top side, bottom side and front side. Every vent area has a surface of 120x240mm there will be no venting holes on the side panels.

There is one rule for building inside the case: ALL fans (including the GPU) have to blow in the same direction.

On this picture you see positive pressure. The two front fans pushing fresh air inside the case and it will move out through the radiators on top and bottom. On a use case with a radial fan GPU (GTX Founders) negative pressure would be better and for a axial fan GPU (RTX Founders) positive pressure. ( I know I did it wrong on the renderings)

If you like to use only one radiator you can also put fans on the mount points for the second radiator or install one or two of the included bracket (don’t visible on the rendering) to covering the not needed vent areas. Every bracket is able to cover a 120x120mm surface. Furthermore each bracket will also work as an drive bay and can hold two 2.5” drives.

A little example: You like to use only one 240mm radiator. You install it in the bottom of the case. Now is it up to you: You can install the fans at the front or topside. You decide for the front. Now you have unused space at the topside. You install a third 120mm fan at the topside and one vent holes cover to have more space for two HDD drives.

This design is very unique because it will allow up to 480mm radiator surface in ~11L volume. In a direct comparison a radiator will cool better if the fan is directly attached on it, but also this design will work very well.

For designing the front intake I have different ideas:

Between front panel and fan there will be 15mm free space to not have air turbulences and to provide space for dust filters. So now we have two options: 1) adding vent holes to the front panel itself or adding vent slots on the left and right side of the 15mm free space zone (I will visualize it).


What do you think about this design?
Wow. I just want to make sure that I understand your concept correctly... you're saying that you will only have enough height for either a 25-27mm radiator or a 25mm fan at the top / bottom? and that air is forced through the radiator via air pressure differential? If so, this will be similar in theory as the Corsair One, correct? If so, I love this.
 
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