Not sure if this is of interest (I haven’t actually watched it properly yet).
1650 on Latte Panda
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What interested me is the M.2 to PCIe, I've seen people here sort of complaining about there performance saying a lot are crap, presumably this one, which he links to, isn't. If I could get my hands on that Latte Panda in the UK (we only have the slower Atom 2GB version at an unattractive price) I'd try this with a spare Pallit 1050ti I have. Not sure you get the Pallit in the USA but it is an odd card. It is a decent 1050Ti passively cooled card but that makes it relatively massive compared to a LP fan 1050. Which is why I haven't found a use for it yet, eBay is its likely resting place if I don't come up with an idea soon.
My favoured design is a homemade aluminium case where the GPU physically extends through the case and so the fins are on show and exposed- sort of mimicking a big V8 engine with the carbs through the hood/bonnet. But like I say I'm full of ideas, I've had the aluminium months and haven't done anything with it. Really it would suit a Ryzen 1600 but they are getting thin on the ground in the UK and the 1600X is 95W TDP. Then again I suppose I could have a massive passively cooled heat sink on the CPU sticking out the case and just make the thinnest case possible..
My favoured design is a homemade aluminium case where the GPU physically extends through the case and so the fins are on show and exposed- sort of mimicking a big V8 engine with the carbs through the hood/bonnet. But like I say I'm full of ideas, I've had the aluminium months and haven't done anything with it. Really it would suit a Ryzen 1600 but they are getting thin on the ground in the UK and the 1600X is 95W TDP. Then again I suppose I could have a massive passively cooled heat sink on the CPU sticking out the case and just make the thinnest case possible..
Well i have the Pallit 1050 passive, so I'd use that as it wouldn't be more than a fun project. Like I say we can't easily get that model of the Latte Panda in the UK, I've seen it for private sale at about £400 but I'm not paying that, the one we get is a Atom/Celeron low powered netbook chip, it'll be bottle-necked by the dGPU and even that cost £130. If I do a bit of research and it looks like the £130 Latte Panda is worth a punt I think I'll do it because it is a sub-£200 build for a laugh. I'll go order the PCIe/M.2 thing now.
This is what I really want, the Intel 8th M3-8100y but it is pre-order, and is going to ship at about £400 and I have stage 4 cancer so a waiting game is no good to me. £400 would also allow me to upgrade my daily driver to Ryzen 3.
https://www.dfrobot.com/product-1729.html
But we get a Cherry Trail for £130;
You can find a range (so different CPU/DDR/eMMc) but the strong rumour is these are oldish prototype/ pre-production stuff they have lying around and so have various problems like often being a brick on delivery- and they even cost £200-to £250.
EDIT to remove me talking out of my hat.
https://www.dfrobot.com/product-1729.html
But we get a Cherry Trail for £130;
You can find a range (so different CPU/DDR/eMMc) but the strong rumour is these are oldish prototype/ pre-production stuff they have lying around and so have various problems like often being a brick on delivery- and they even cost £200-to £250.
EDIT to remove me talking out of my hat.
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I’m thinking of pursuing this with the As-Rock A300/110.
The A300 I think everyone knows, the 110 is the Intel version that is a bit cheaper but has only one M.2.
What I plan to do is try and run a 1050Ti of a M.2 to PCIe adapter which is on its way from the USA (supposed to arrive the 16th). Just some advice really, but I suppose I should flesh my idea out.
The case I plan to make, I have some 3mm (and some 4mm ali for brackets) aluminium, from memory I think I cut it down 200mm square so that will dictate the size. The case would lay horizontal and really only contain the motherboard. The sides will be vented/perforated aluminium which I also have. The CPU cooler and the Palit 1050Ti (passively cooled and large because of it) will stick out of the top of case. I’ll probably just use a SATA 250GB SSD I have (I will have to if I use 110). I will only use 8GB matched pair of memory as really this is me having a play and I will be happy if I create a lightweight gaming PC. Can’t over-clock anyway so in a way this makes the build relatively uncomplicated as there aren’t a lot of choices.
I’m not sure what CPU. Going for the 2400G seems a potential waste of money? Would the 2200G be better, I realise I lose the threads/hyper-threading but if it’s only really budget gaming. Or do I go with the 110 and an i3 8100 (which is about £125 currently, but I could save a little on the memory potentially with that (not that I will get that bothered about memory anyway). I’ve discounted the Athlons and anything less than the i3, am I right in that?
Any thoughts or advice.
The A300 I think everyone knows, the 110 is the Intel version that is a bit cheaper but has only one M.2.
What I plan to do is try and run a 1050Ti of a M.2 to PCIe adapter which is on its way from the USA (supposed to arrive the 16th). Just some advice really, but I suppose I should flesh my idea out.
The case I plan to make, I have some 3mm (and some 4mm ali for brackets) aluminium, from memory I think I cut it down 200mm square so that will dictate the size. The case would lay horizontal and really only contain the motherboard. The sides will be vented/perforated aluminium which I also have. The CPU cooler and the Palit 1050Ti (passively cooled and large because of it) will stick out of the top of case. I’ll probably just use a SATA 250GB SSD I have (I will have to if I use 110). I will only use 8GB matched pair of memory as really this is me having a play and I will be happy if I create a lightweight gaming PC. Can’t over-clock anyway so in a way this makes the build relatively uncomplicated as there aren’t a lot of choices.
I’m not sure what CPU. Going for the 2400G seems a potential waste of money? Would the 2200G be better, I realise I lose the threads/hyper-threading but if it’s only really budget gaming. Or do I go with the 110 and an i3 8100 (which is about £125 currently, but I could save a little on the memory potentially with that (not that I will get that bothered about memory anyway). I’ve discounted the Athlons and anything less than the i3, am I right in that?
Any thoughts or advice.
Because this thread is now moving off-topic I'll start a new thread on the topic of my SFX M.2/PCIe build when/if I feel the urge. Soro this will be the last post here except one providing a link to the new thread for those that are interested.
Well thanks for the overwhelming response to my request (If it was dumb someone please PM me and explain). Anyway, I was torn between a 2400GE and Ryzen 2400G. I know the 2400G and like it, but curiosity told me the 2400GE. In the end I went with a 2400G just because if my experiment fails, I still have a good chip, while I have a utility chip with the 2400GE if I can’t get M.2 dGPU to work.
SO, I’ve ordered the A300(W) barebones, you must add the Wi-Fi/BT as an optional extra (£18) in the UK but it is Intel and worth it. 8GB (4GB/2) DDR 2900, an OK NVme 500GB and I will use a SATA AADD I have. I also ordered a largish Artic Cooler £20, again this is because of the look I’m going for, I would just modify the Wraith otherwise. And I have a Palit GeForce GTX 1050 Ti KalmX Fanless 4GB GDDR5. All in I spent £420 plus something like £15 of the M.2 adaptor (and I already have the SSD (£20) and the 1050Ti (£70-90 used). Discounting the graphics, you can obviously go cheaper with HDD and the GE chips- like the lucky fellow who fitted 10TB of SDD recently (envy).
The M.2/PCIe adaptors arrived from the USA yesterday, good service. Will bookmark that supplier. It’s powered with a Molex to JST looking cable (it isn’t JST it is just that it is 6am here and my brain isn’t waking up, it is small and white 4pin). What I power it off is to be decided, I may have to focus my limited SBC experience and add an additional booster PSU.
However, 2 days ago, trawling through this excellent if difficult to navigate resource that is called SFF.Network I found I didn’t exactly have to reinvent the wheel, or rather that was what I was trying to do. And NFC has a YT video as well. People have already done this, so there’s a lot of help for me potentially, that makes me somewhat emboldened that I won’t have a massive problem doing a PoC on a bench. Therefore, the body of work will probably just be the case and making a bracket.
People elsewhere (I do have a few friends honest) have said I should go for a 1650 but looking at it. It doesn’t offer a great amount of extra for the cost. If I sell the 1050 I have I might get £70 then I must spend at least £90 to extra to get a 1650. Doesn’t add up to me. I think my friends just like shinny.
Likely distractions are going to be cancer, I’m off today to fight for a new immunology program that is available under the cancer fund (for those without a NHS, we have a cancer fund, it is an extra provision above the standard NHS stuff (Surgery/Chemo/Radio), you have to apply/fight for it- in the USA it would be can you afford it, here it is still that (you can go private and people do use a bit of both) but there is a money pool as well.
Someone, a friend, wants a relatively high-end PC for very little (£400) money and wants me to solve this- likely an eBay solution, older Xeon workstation- they are into photography and some video mainly).
2 outstanding builds for customers- I’m not a pro, it is a paying hobby and I am relatively cheap, I get work because I’m not shite and I ask enough right questions so that people get a system that matches what they want to do without falling into jargon and frightening them away like the Pro builders. So, I get paid for Googling basically-LOL.
EDIT: OK the A300 and stuff arrived today, looking at the M.2 adaptor it isn’t open ended so I might have to Dremel it which is a bugger. On eBay the image wasn’t clear. Maybe it will fit but it looks like an X2 to me (I know it is PCIe2, not 3, at least that is how I read it). We’ll see, I will look more tomorrow. Just a head up so nobody orders one (although the sensible would wait anyway, it is cheap at $12 for two or £15 including shipping to the UK).
*I rechecked the video and his is definitely open ended at 02:03. So either his link is wrong, they sent me the wrong part, or the specification has changed.
I might have to search again, although that Ryzen 2400G saves me ultimately failing in any real sense.
Well thanks for the overwhelming response to my request (If it was dumb someone please PM me and explain). Anyway, I was torn between a 2400GE and Ryzen 2400G. I know the 2400G and like it, but curiosity told me the 2400GE. In the end I went with a 2400G just because if my experiment fails, I still have a good chip, while I have a utility chip with the 2400GE if I can’t get M.2 dGPU to work.
SO, I’ve ordered the A300(W) barebones, you must add the Wi-Fi/BT as an optional extra (£18) in the UK but it is Intel and worth it. 8GB (4GB/2) DDR 2900, an OK NVme 500GB and I will use a SATA AADD I have. I also ordered a largish Artic Cooler £20, again this is because of the look I’m going for, I would just modify the Wraith otherwise. And I have a Palit GeForce GTX 1050 Ti KalmX Fanless 4GB GDDR5. All in I spent £420 plus something like £15 of the M.2 adaptor (and I already have the SSD (£20) and the 1050Ti (£70-90 used). Discounting the graphics, you can obviously go cheaper with HDD and the GE chips- like the lucky fellow who fitted 10TB of SDD recently (envy).
The M.2/PCIe adaptors arrived from the USA yesterday, good service. Will bookmark that supplier. It’s powered with a Molex to JST looking cable (it isn’t JST it is just that it is 6am here and my brain isn’t waking up, it is small and white 4pin). What I power it off is to be decided, I may have to focus my limited SBC experience and add an additional booster PSU.
However, 2 days ago, trawling through this excellent if difficult to navigate resource that is called SFF.Network I found I didn’t exactly have to reinvent the wheel, or rather that was what I was trying to do. And NFC has a YT video as well. People have already done this, so there’s a lot of help for me potentially, that makes me somewhat emboldened that I won’t have a massive problem doing a PoC on a bench. Therefore, the body of work will probably just be the case and making a bracket.
People elsewhere (I do have a few friends honest) have said I should go for a 1650 but looking at it. It doesn’t offer a great amount of extra for the cost. If I sell the 1050 I have I might get £70 then I must spend at least £90 to extra to get a 1650. Doesn’t add up to me. I think my friends just like shinny.
Likely distractions are going to be cancer, I’m off today to fight for a new immunology program that is available under the cancer fund (for those without a NHS, we have a cancer fund, it is an extra provision above the standard NHS stuff (Surgery/Chemo/Radio), you have to apply/fight for it- in the USA it would be can you afford it, here it is still that (you can go private and people do use a bit of both) but there is a money pool as well.
Someone, a friend, wants a relatively high-end PC for very little (£400) money and wants me to solve this- likely an eBay solution, older Xeon workstation- they are into photography and some video mainly).
2 outstanding builds for customers- I’m not a pro, it is a paying hobby and I am relatively cheap, I get work because I’m not shite and I ask enough right questions so that people get a system that matches what they want to do without falling into jargon and frightening them away like the Pro builders. So, I get paid for Googling basically-LOL.
EDIT: OK the A300 and stuff arrived today, looking at the M.2 adaptor it isn’t open ended so I might have to Dremel it which is a bugger. On eBay the image wasn’t clear. Maybe it will fit but it looks like an X2 to me (I know it is PCIe2, not 3, at least that is how I read it). We’ll see, I will look more tomorrow. Just a head up so nobody orders one (although the sensible would wait anyway, it is cheap at $12 for two or £15 including shipping to the UK).
*I rechecked the video and his is definitely open ended at 02:03. So either his link is wrong, they sent me the wrong part, or the specification has changed.
I might have to search again, although that Ryzen 2400G saves me ultimately failing in any real sense.
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