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Antec isk 110, streacom f1c (with fenestrated top) and E-W80 (fenestrated) I'm really just sharing the problems I've encountered with small cases that I've got, I'm not here to argue with anyone, if you get great temps from small cases, I'll appreciate if you can constructively share it with me

for the average mini itx 4cm case (and through the years I've collected quite a few) the temp I've been getting: ~45C was outside the case, ~55C inside a case without the cover, >65C with the cover, cryorig C7 gave the best temps, LP53 (slim fan) was second best, Noctua gave the highest temps...

Thank you for the suggestions, but was looking for more compact cases that are not made to house a Sfx power supply. I was never trying to get James to change course, I think he is doing a great job! There is nothing wrong with Mac mini style, must have a big market or else all the big...

With a room temp of 34C + i7 quad, 60-70C idle is quite normal

The problem with most designs is they try to be as thin as possible, and are happy with idle temp of 70C and 90C at load. This is one of the most common complaint with Mac users. The S4 and A4 share the same problem, but if you consider your target audience is the ones that want something...

Since there is an AC300W, any chance in making it dual slots and able to fit a mini GTX1060? And m.2 ssd tend to overheat and shut down, it would be perfect if you can allow a Noctua A4 fan to cool the m.2 ssd. This would make the L4 far more attractive than the Dan's A4 case! Coz at 11-12cm...